Who's getting the vaccine then?

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  1. 10 May 2021 at 2:48 PM #7381
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    So are you saying that because something isnt 100% you shouldnt do it?

    Do you know how H&S liability works? Nothing is 100% safe but you arent liable if you took all reasonable precautions.

    Also your IFR rates are rubbish not sure where you get 0.5% chance of infection from
     
  2. 10 May 2021 at 4:30 PM #7382
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    No that isn't what I am saying.

    If you think that an individuals action or lack of action, that is being tried as causative to someone elses' death would be prosecuted as a health and safety transgression, we have a different understanding of the law. (although I'm not a lawyer)

    IFR technically speaks to risk of death rather than chance of infection. The most recent study results that I am aware of, are here: Risk of mortality in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern 202012/1: matched cohort study | The BMJ the Kent variant had an IFR of 0.4% the previous version 0.25% (so if anything, I overstated the number/risk). This was a recent study involving over 100000 participants, involving no modelling & peer reviewed. If the vaccine is 90% effective then this would drop to less than 0.05% IFR for vaccinated people.

    In terms of prevalence (chance of infection), we presently test over 880000 people/day (7 Day moving average) which is returning just over a 7 day moving average of 2000 positive tests (not cases) so less than 0.25% test positivity rate. (Cases | Coronavirus in the UK (data.gov.uk) So your chance of meeting anyone with a positive test is very low, let alone a symptomatic carrier (which is all you really need to be concerned about).
     
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  3. 10 May 2021 at 4:45 PM #7383
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    So sky news australia are claiming covid was released as a biological weapon by china.
     
  4. 10 May 2021 at 5:29 PM #7384
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    So mr vallance has said masks and SD may return in the winter, there’s a shock. I still can’t understand why that would be the case when especially at that point a vast majority of people will of had both the vax - which leads me back to what’s the point in everyone having it if measures are to remain.

    I’ve played by the rules up until now and done all that’s been asked, granted I’ve moaned and groaned about it, but I won’t be wearing a mask for anybody if they bring it back for the winter

    ETA, I’ve read this on sky news so the context may come across different to his spoken words
     
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    That isn’t strictly true .....

    Murdoch is engaged in an ongoing war of words with the Chinese state as he has limited access to their huge market - note how it’s his outlets who are the most anti China like The Australian (where this story originally came from), Sky Aus, Fox and The Sun.

    He is pretty much playing out as Elliot Carver in Tomorrow Never Dies :)

    Anyway the story relates to a six year old discovery of a document allegedly from the Chinese govt saying a Third World War might be fought out using biological weapons and that CVs were being cultivated in labs. File under “No **** Sherlock”. It doesn’t explicitly claim this pandemic is the result of such a desire

    By the way “we” have been up to exactly the same for years too.

    The below is an amusingly unsubtle explanation of how propaganda works by way of the Chinese state’s response and contains scarcely hidden digs at Mr M’s outlets.

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1223003.shtml
     
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    Thing is you don’t have to wear one now, it's just perceived you do. We are effectively self policing this ridiculous mandate. You can diagnose yourself and a simple 'it makes me feel anxious ' will suffice, although you don't even need to prove a reason. I had my first jab yesterday (shock horror) and didn't wear a mask and no one questioned it.
     
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    You had a vaccine for a virus you recently stated you didn’t believe had been isolated ?

    That’s progress if nothing else :thumbsup:
     
  8. 10 May 2021 at 6:39 PM #7388
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    No I didn't have it for the virus or to protect anyone else. I had it to tick a box as I'm desperate to go on holiday in September .
     
  9. 10 May 2021 at 6:45 PM #7389
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    Which country’s government do you blame for coercing you into that I wonder ?
     
  10. 10 May 2021 at 6:46 PM #7390
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    Talk about bending over lol.
    I am not having it.
     
  11. 10 May 2021 at 6:47 PM #7391
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    The media have a lot to answer for. They should be held accountable.
     
  12. 10 May 2021 at 8:36 PM #7392
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    You’re taking to the wrong people. I don’t know anyone who isn’t clamouring to be vaccinated
     
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    Correct me if I am wrong here matt, but you are quite happy to pin testosterone and/or substances from unofficial sources. Yet are flat out refusing taking a vaccine?
     
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    Lol burn.

    I think i said something similar pages back.
     
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    Well his ‘roids and weed dealer provides extensive multi-year testing data, has never had a class action brought against him, absolutely has his customers’ best interests at heart and isn’t in the game for profit so it’s all good - probably

    :muttley:
     
  17. 11 May 2021 at 9:25 AM #7397
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    Yes that must be it, many thanks for pointing that out. I'm just off out to try and talk to the 'right' people now.
     
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    To be honest if you spend most of your time talking to anti vaxxers it might be a good idea in general. :muttley:
     
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    It certainly is a very polarizing subject with some interesting opinions on both sides. Did anyone watch the Jabbed! documentary on Ch4 last night?
     
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    Here is my logic.

    1) Is the vaccine worse than the virus?
    2) Is it possible for me to avoid the virus for life?

    If the answer is no to both of those then the answer is to get the vaccine.

    If you need more help on question 1 then here it is.

    1.b) If a vaccine provokes an immune response by using part of the genetic information or spike protein there is a risk of either allergic reaction or blood clotting which are both caused by a negative reaction by your own immune system. The vaccine its self CANNOT hurt you. it is totally inert especially the mRNA one which doesnt use Adenovirus. Any negative reaction is your own immune response going wrong.

    1.c) So if you fear a negative immune response from an inert form of the virus or mRNA or spike protein do you think you are going to have a different response to the virus?

    1.d) would you prefer to to have a negative response to a live virus which is actively replicating out of control so not only is your immune response killing the virus its also killing your healthy cells in a run away death spiral called a cytokine storm.

    So if you fear 1.b or 1.c then your only choice is to choose option 2 and hide from the virus for life? But as you get older the chances of dying go up and the chance of recovery goes down so is option 2 a good idea?

    So do you want the virus or do you want the vaccine?
     

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