Who's getting the vaccine then?

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  1. 10 May 2021 at 11:50 AM #7361
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    I know a 34 year old whos died. Only thing he had was obesity. I know another 40 year old who had 50/50 chance of survival and he was over weight.

    Given how fat everyone is in this country id probably suggest its a good idea to get the vaccine even if you are only 25 years old and slim. For no other reason that when you are 35 and fat you might just catch it in some far away land on holiday and live to regret it.

    Imo having immunity to Corona viruses isnt a bad idea. Even if its cross immunity which means the next one gives you just a cold instead of pneumonia
     
  2. 10 May 2021 at 11:51 AM #7362
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    I don't see the relevance either (unless it is proven that lies have led to death). I don't mind strong opinions but on this topic but I think the mods do, so I'll leave there:rolleyes:



    Edit: We'll have to agree to disagree on post 7361 P.S Perhaps a better way would be for people to not get fat?
     
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  3. 10 May 2021 at 12:28 PM #7363
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    Can we keep this on Covid and vax
    That in itself creates enough bat **** theories and thoughts from both sides. ;)
     
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  4. 10 May 2021 at 12:37 PM #7364
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    Plenty of information about vaccine take up (and a whole lot more besides that) available via the below

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...oronaviruscovid19/latestinsights#vaccinations

    Propensity towards taking a vax is north of 80% in all age groups overall standing at 93%

    Some signs of drop off in certain age groups which I think could reasonably correlate to the continued fall in infections and deaths.
     
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  5. 10 May 2021 at 12:58 PM #7365
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    Theres probably a few others I could mention. So you’re absolutely right China are just as guilty of human right violations.
     
  6. 10 May 2021 at 1:00 PM #7366
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    I'll be very interested to see how this looks in say 6 months time when it has been made available to the under 40's and below, I generally dont think it will be anywhere close to 80%, the reluctance among people I have discussed it with in this age range is closer to 80% not planning on having it.
     
  7. 10 May 2021 at 1:06 PM #7367
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    N.B Survey based results rather than actual results.
     
  8. 10 May 2021 at 1:09 PM #7368
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    Probably says more about the people you know than anything else.

    Young people are not known for their experience, intelligence or wisdom and even less so for their ability to balance risk versus reward.

    This certainly poses a problem for herd immunity which is one of the reasons why there should be a downside for not taking a vaccine.
     
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    Sure - what do you think the +/- tolerances are ?

    I’d hazard a guess these are directionally correct
     
  10. 10 May 2021 at 1:16 PM #7370
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    I think that why it’s worth watching those drops.
     
  11. 10 May 2021 at 1:21 PM #7371
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    Wow, thats a pretty sweeping generalization right there. How would you explain to a perfectly fit and healthy 25 year old what the risk versus reward balance is?
     
  12. 10 May 2021 at 1:27 PM #7372
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    Well its not really is it. Thats why car insurance for young people is sky high. Drug taking is the same, STD's, Sports accidents,

    For me it comes down to a simple question. What right do you have to infect someone else with a disease that could kill or seriously damage their health.

    Right now the reason they can choose to not get vaccinated is because they are not liable for their own actions. So either you mandate their use or you make the liability theirs and theirs alone. There is more risk to peoples health from this virus than from driving a car but its mandatory to have licence, insurance and MOT to drive but basically you can walk around with an infectious disease and do far more damage.

    Its a problem with no easy answer due to all sorts of ethical and illogical reasons but essentially there should be a penalty for not getting the vaccine and a liability for punishment if you refuse it and then get infected or infect others.
     
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    It maybe right, not sure. Anecdotally, almost everyone I have spoken to has taken it but I haven't spoken to the younger people I know about it (actually it's not a topic that arises much) What I did notice about the survey is:
    1) The sample sizes are relatively low.
    2) Around 40% of those surveyed didn't reply (I think it is reasonable to assume that the percentage refusing would be higher in this group)
    3) I couldn't actually fund the survey, Yes Prime Minister - Sir Humphrey shows poll rigging - YouTube

    In any event, I don't think it matters (as much as others do) as long as take up rates are high where it matters, phase 1. After all that's what we have done now and our CV numbers are about as good as they are ever going to be.
     
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    to be honest its a simple problem to solve.

    If you said that anyone not vaccinated cant go to a bar, nightclub, festival or international flight they would all line up to be vaccinated. All are considered to be high risk of infection due to close proximity of people and all could be justified easily.
     
  15. 10 May 2021 at 1:39 PM #7375
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    Interesting response, so if said 25 year then replied 'so if I have the vacine will that 100% stop me infecting someone else?' whats your reply?
     
  16. 10 May 2021 at 1:42 PM #7376
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    “Let me explain to you how vaccines work and why that’s a daft question to ask”

    ;)
     
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    Its not how many but 'who' is vaccinated. As JB pointed out the top 4 groups pretty much cleans most of the mess up. As for threatening people with a loss of liberty what about extending that to bmi and if yours is too high then your not allowed the same life choices as everyone else?
     
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    Except, it isn't a problem.

    Vaccination doesn't guarantee you are unable to infect someone. As a result of this fact, any of your legal extrapolations about liability whether vaccinated or not are a non starter.
    Secondly, you talk about rights to infect but, what right do you have to insist that I take a vaccination (that may harm me) for your protection? The answer is you don't have any rights to insist upon that no matter how you chose to justify it or position it as somehow taking the moral high ground as your position is for me, hypocritical (it's OK for me to risk my health for your benefit but not the other way around)
    Finally, it is illegal to coerce people to take medication for well established reasons. You're choosing to advocate a policy of enforced medication, trashing decades of established law and convention for a disease with an IFR rate of less than 0.5% (before vaccination), after vaccination 0.05%. An absolute loss of perspective, going about as far away from the normal we all claim to want to return to, as you could imagine.

    I respect your right to differ and will leave it at that.

    P.S you can "justify" anything.
     
  19. 10 May 2021 at 2:12 PM #7379
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    Doesn't the second highlighted point destroy your first point.
     
  20. 10 May 2021 at 2:16 PM #7380
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    Quite the opposite. One's talking about transmission the other, IFR's. I have always said that I think those at risk should get a vaccine and that those who aren't shouldt bother because the justification for the latter group is an transmission based rationale.
     
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