Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by bootyman, Dec 4, 2020.
This was a known threat on the 6th of Jan and the gov made precautions on entering the UK on the 8th, they should have done this on the 6th really.
Edit apologies this was the south African variant, as I've said we need a global lockdown of the UK, it can be done and it should be done.
Disagree slightly, in that if it is new vaccine resistant variant there is nothing much he can do about that - lockdown is the only way really effective way to stop mass human to human transmission unfortunately. Let’s hope it’s never the case.
eta. Unless we have a genuinely amazing track and trace type system
I don't think we disagree
I'm with you that in a really bad scenario LD may end up being the only option available
My point is the reason he doesn't want to ever have to play that card is he will be blamed regardless:
eg - Brazil variant takes over then it will be how did you allow that to happen, you knew about Brazil why didn't you learn lesson from China, why haven't you been tracking this etc etc
eg - new strain develops in UK through some kind of mass vax resistance/evassion then it will be , how did you not plan for this, where were the failsafes, why did you go against the manufacturers dosing regimen etc
Doe that make sense ?
I guess there is always an angle to beat him with!
I think if a different variant arises that is vaccine resistant and requires LD, well that would be soul destroying - almost to the point I think the public at large will become less tolerant of LD based on a suggested risk to a cohort of individuals...
Hopefully with the RNA type vaccines we can now respond more quickly to future threats.
ETA. My one major concern is that when you get a flu jab they give you one based on the variant they think is most likely to be in circulation - a fair few years they have called it wrong and people have them got the flu - hopefully Covid immune response is less susceptible to variants
I hope I am wrong too bud, I really do.
I'm getting worn down with lockdown after lockdown and getting ****ed off and depressed with it!
I really don’t the public would get on board with another lockdown around Christmas time again.
I think the government are largely being given some slack or the benefit of the doubt at the moment. That goodwill will have evaporated by then.
Let's hope this doesn't mutate with something with a much higher mortality rate then this will all look like a picnic.
I used to work for a large pharmaceutical company at the time the swine flu poked its ugly head up in 2009, we were involved with advising and helping mitigate with the gov on certain aspects etc. The Gov were well ahead of the game before the public really knew about it.
What was a real concern and one never really reported (and for good reason) was that the virus would mutate with the H5N1 (avian bird flu) virus which also existed at the time. Whilst the H1N1/09 (swine flu) had a low mortality rate (less than covid) it had a large transmission rate like covid19.
People in the know were bricking it incase they both mutated together, avian bird flu has about a 60% mortality rate had roughly a 55% mortality rate at that time. This if not mitigated quickly and drastically enough could have wiped out half of the planet in a flash. It was a real scenario that could have happened and steps were put in place to mitigate against it happening and steps incase it did. Trust me had one case emerged of the worst case scenario the UK would have immediately locked down and the rest of our main allies immediately.
If people actually had any idea of what the gov, micro biologists, epidemiologists, and countless others did behind the scenes to try and keep you safe im fairly sure a lot of people on here would change their tune.
Sure I think they could do more, but I'm not currently party to all the data, I would rest assured that we have some of the finest minds on the planet in this field working on this.
The gov is doing and has to do a balancing act between do more and have less fatalities and do a bit less and not kill the economy.
AIUI if a virus could articulate the purpose of its existence it would be...to be highly infectious but not fatal to the host.
Any mutation that kills its host tends to be self erasing so not ultimately as successful as one that doesn't kill its host.
Have you noticed how the blame game has been ramped up massively this week? From the government to the news and the media in general, even the One Show started with a bit about it . Soon though they won't be able to blame the public because the vaccination programme is in their hands not to **** up, if they mess this up or the vaccines don't have the desired effect then I think a lot of the goodwill will evaporate.
I think Project Fear has done its job to keep the masses muted, personally.
Unless it turns them into zombies as per Nostradamus' predictions for 2021 .
The Telegraph Planet Normal podcast giving some very good context to the stats and a very good interview with Graham Brady.
If you don't want to listen then a few of interesting points are 1. Out of the 70k excess deaths over 30k of them have been in the home 2. 2500 people a day are getting discharged from hospital which is higher than the first peak 3. The bulk of the excess deaths happened in March to May and for the last 4 months the excess deaths are a similar if not slightly lower in some cases to the last 5 yrs. Well worth a listen if you have the time.
No I definitely have it the right way around.
At the beginning of this Coronavirus I was pretty sceptical stating that annually up to 600,000 die annually worldwide from Flu with up to 30,000 deaths from Flu in the UK. All accepted parts of life, not affecting world economies etc. Taking the last year on its own (and let's face it this is how we are now having to live) there have been far less cases of normal 'Flu" (proving that social distancing, self-isolating, better hygiene and mask wearing have worked) but there have been mind blowing cases of infection and death from variations of Coronavirus. These are the facts, not based on statistics over many years. Those statistics are irrelevant in the current situation we face. In the past with Flu you would see people going about their business (on buses and tubes) coughing and sneezing their germs everywhere. Yes you could try to avoid the dirty barstewards but that's how people would catch a bad cold or Flu. Now you have tens or hundreds of thousands of people with No symptom, who don't even know they are carrying the Coronavirus passing it on without a care in the world.
This sh1t is serious my friends. Take heed and comply or risk it all.
It's quite fooking simple really. Stay home. If you can't work from home then adhere to the social distancing rules and wear masks. Keep your filthy hands clean. Don't socialise you selfish fooks.
Excellent post john
2 funerals I've got coming up and both guys were under 64....and no underlying illness
Have attended 11 Funerals since beginning of Dec in Crawley. 4 of which, no underlying issues and under 40.
masks have made matters worse.
Public Health England Siren study seems to show that after recovery you can still carry and transmit whilst remaining potentially protected from reinfection for a few months. Early days for this study and by no means conclusive. Surely wearing masks will help reduce infection.
I personally don't think the media or gov have any agenga to blame people and we shouldn't equally blame them, nobody could fully forsee this. I think it's more that certain people within society still don't fully understand or they are being flippent with their actions. At the start of this fiasco even on this thread there seemed to be an undertone of conspiracy and people who didn't think the advice from the gov was correct or was over the top, using snippets of lefty's crazy ramblings to try and substantiate some kind of personal thoughts of over the top/conspiracy agenda.
The mask doubters debate was/is quite frankly rediculous, but this seems to be the tone and level we're at.
Now roll on to today, we've got over 1.5k dying each day, the NHS really is now in imminent danger of being totally over swamped.
It's almost like we think we know better, the fact is we don't, we don't see all of the sensative data, we don't have the modelling or the brainpower of the people working for the gov on this, but yet we still will clutch at straws and not conform.
I do find it rediculous some of the general pub talk rubbish that I used to hear in the pubs and from some of the Muppets on social media.
I still can't understand why people are so reluctant to try and beat this thing as quickly as possible and get back to normal, to do that you need to trust and do what the gov says if you agree or not, if their measures are incorrect at worse you've inconvenienced yourself but if they are correct at worse you might of actually killed someone. We are well past the time for one man protests etc.
We can't in one breath not follow the rules and potentially add to the problem and then in the other blame the gov for their increasing hard measures etc.
Another ridiculous comment
It's becoming painful reading this thread, I don't know if to laugh or cry with some of the comments, I'll probably just laugh through my Megga mask and continue to protect myself and loved ones whilst watching the ever increasing Darwin trophy's being issued.
I'm starting to miss the whole rage about manual Vs auto and coupe Vs vert.
So you just effectively explained that masks have no effect on covid?
There are Americans for whom this would be the best thing ever.
Fully stocked up and waiting for the outbreak...watching The Walking Dead on a loop.