what a prat

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  1. 25 Mar 2020 at 11:18 AM #41
    Instructormike

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    Thanks. Suppose I should have bought an E90/2.
    On which note, something to cheer everyone up : https://youtu.be/PkFV0uNFr_Q
    Make sure volume is on max.

    I have lots of unlisted clips - may put some together over the coming days.
     
  2. 25 Mar 2020 at 6:49 PM #42
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    Came across this thread when first posted and couldn't make my mind up. My initial reaction was that nine times out of ten, I don't think I could have avoided that incident. I put it down to the wall blocking the corner.

    This was a very enlightening video, lots more to a corner than it first seems and found the physics strangely interesting. May I ask how you got into this field? I'll definitely be watching more of these.
     
  3. 25 Mar 2020 at 7:14 PM #43
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    The driver was a dumb ass - he is lucky that the motorcyclist had additional protection otherwise he would be looking at manslaughter.

    The worst thing is that he even straightens the car up rather than try to avoid the collision.
     
  4. 25 Mar 2020 at 7:35 PM #44
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    Thanks for the comment (Young Benny).
    The reason I got into looking at accidents actually related to a young man who came to me for some performance driver training. He had suffered a bad crash a while earlier in his Lotus Elise, again on the exit of a corner and had no memory of the accident. He suffered significant injuries but no blame was apportioned to either party after a police investigation. The other vehicle was a 3/5 series BMW. Can't remember which now. Anyway it had really thrown his confidence in his driving so we needed to see if he should be blaming himself, perhaps subconsciously.
    I suggested, if he was comfortable with it, going back to the scene of the incident and seeing if we could understand what had happened. So we drove his route to the point of impact several times and I concluded that the speed on this bend could not have been high enough for him to drift out wide if he had actually made it round the previous two bends. I re-enacted it at some speed.
    Then we acted as the BMW coming from the opposite direction. Eerily, this involved a bend and a slight camber/elevation change. Once we added speed it soon became clear that the Beemer could easily have overcooked the previous entry and would have ended absolutely onto the opposing side of the carriageway and struck my man's Lotus. Obviously a BMW vs. an Elise the BMW wins on crash survival outcome. We could not produce comprehensive evidence but it was enough to restore his self-confidence. He is now a member of our driver's group and is a top lad.

    So when I come across something that doesn't seem right I like to gain understanding. IF it doesn't make sense then something is missing. I am a fairly analytical person, with a rusty Physics degree, but a virtual lifetime of being involved in a/ teaching b/cars and c/high risk environments. But I also care for things to be fair. I taught for 12yrs, ran a Technology faculty in a large comprehensive, was a 6th form tutor, liked to look after my charges. Still do. Did rather left of field things before that (and since) that taught me to respect and deal with risk. I'm now an old git with no hair but I hate it when people get hurt without realising how close to the edge of risk they are. That's why we sometimes do things in a military-esque way, but similarly with real crew spirit. Teach to understand and then deal.

    A lot of people will not like part 2 and it will get dislikes. I can deal with that. A thumbs down is less dangerous than an anti-personnel mine and I've experienced both. I love discussion and hate ill-informed opinion. I am happy to listen to an opposing view. Then we talk. It makes life interesting.
    Sorry, long answer for short question.
    MC
     
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    Surely the best advice is to tell the person to not drive at 9/10th of their ability on public roads and instead spend time enjoying their car nearer to the limit in a safer and controlled environment. The best form of mitigating risk is not driving like a tool in the first place - these are public roads where the general population tend to do moronic things, not a race track with highly honed driving skills around you.
     
  6. 25 Mar 2020 at 9:51 PM #46
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    I quite agree. IN a way.... If you want to race, go racing. Public roads are not the place EVER, for racing. Even race tracks in actual races you are not surrounded by finely honed skills, necessarily, except in the higher echelons and then not 100%.
    In order to be in charge of car or circumstance one has to be fully in charge of oneself, abilities and limitations. Actually you should always drive at your full ability, but this does not mean speed; you should always have significant margin on a public road to manage what your don't wish for.
    If you ever happen to have the opportunity to be in the presence of a PPO, he(almost invariably he) would appear to be doing nothing but would actually be at 10/10th all the time. Readiness is key. I would NEVER want someone to drive at 10/10th, if they considered 10/10th to be the absolute limits of themselves and car, or they could not differentiate between themselves and the car. The limits of the car is entirely a different matter to your own limits. TO drive a car at the limit is not to drive a car at your limits.
     
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