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  1. 15 Jul 2018 at 1:09 AM #81
    samellio

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    Hi there,
    Looking to get some more negative camber on a 2014 M4 whilst keeping suspension stock.
    Car will be used on track a lot but also my daily so could you suggest an alignment?
    What would you recommend?
    Thanks
     
  2. 17 Jul 2018 at 10:45 AM #82
    David @ CA

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    hi there and thanks for posting ;)
    are you asking for suggested camber angle settings, or regarding suggestions for good camber adjustment hardware such as front camber plates and rear camber arms please ?
    or both !?
    all the best
     
  3. 17 Jul 2018 at 10:56 AM #83
    samellio

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    Hi David,

    Thanks for your response.

    For both really, was originally thinking front camber plates then adjust the rear as far as it will go using the stock adjustment, want to try and keep the car as standard as possible whilst making it not kill its tyres on the track.

    I’m really keen to not use anything that’s noisy or clunky.

    What would you suggest for hardware and alignment?

    Thanks again :)
     
  4. 17 Jul 2018 at 12:03 PM #84
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    Hello again ...
    the most popular front camber plates (and in our view & experience the best overall quality out there for this scenario) would be Ground Control, from USA.
    Unfortunately any such camber adjustment hardware may affect NVH to a degree by its very nature, no way around that.
    but most GC camber plates incorporate a rubber isolation pad to reduce this.
    if correctly installed there should be no significant "clunking / clattering" noises, just what I call a "vibration hum", which in many cases you end up "tuning out" after a while of getting used to the new set up anyway.
    Such items are expensive though ("you get what you pay for" as it were) even with 10% off, we are looking at £589.00 inc vat and import duties the pair.
    Image here : https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1...-917c-483cb79dfbec_1024x1024.jpg?v=1490811050

    as a general rule of thumb, for track work you want as much negative camber as possible, which improves turn - in and general steering response.
    I generally run between 2 and 2.75 degrees negative, front and rear, and if you have high speed straights I suggest setting front and rear to also Toe In ( not out) as this helps establish high speed stability which can at times be a bit affected by high negative camber values .

    hope this has helped, feel free to ask anything else :)
     
  5. 17 Jul 2018 at 1:13 PM #85
    samellio

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    Huge thanks for this David, most helpful!

    The ground control plates were what I was thinking, I don’t mind a bit of extra noise so long as it’s not clonking over low speed bumps like another set I’ve used on a different car. Do you find they need rebuilding after a certain amount of time?

    After fitment does everything go back to look completely standard so you wouldn’t know they were fitted unless you saw the camber in the wheel?

    Do you know how much camber I can get with stock suspension (not lowered) at the back?

    Could you also recommend how much toe to run?

    I looked on your website and found you have a number of approved fitters. Could you recommend which one is best for south east London (don’t mind travelling a bit).

    Thanks again:thumbsup:
     
  6. 17 Jul 2018 at 2:17 PM #86
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    hello again, and sorry for the delayed reply .
    sorry I had meant to say before, we suggest around 0.5 mm toe in front and rear .
    where possible, we also advise running about the same negative camber values front and rear axles.
    As the M4 has covers on the front strut towers then usually these can be retained with the GC Plates too so they are not immediately apparent when looking under the bonnet.
    to date we have had no complaints of the type of low speed "clonking" you describe. But of course bar in mind what one person considers "too loud", another person can consider the opposite ;-)
    sorry that I am not too sure how much rear camber you can achieve on the factory hardware, as we usually also install the rear adjustable camber arms too on such jobs ...
    As to installation, very sorry we no longer have anyone near you, likely closest is Chingford or Thruxton !

    all the best ;-)
     
  7. 17 Jul 2018 at 3:13 PM #87
    samellio

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    Thanks again, great help :thumbsup:

    Hadn’t thought about changing rear arms. Could you provide a link for a set?

    Think chingford will be best. Will they have the camber plates in stock?

    :thumbsup:
     
  8. 17 Jul 2018 at 4:22 PM #88
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  9. 18 Jul 2018 at 10:02 AM #89
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  10. 18 Jul 2018 at 4:29 PM #90
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    You are very welcome:peace:

    if you were in the market for the full rear camber and Toe arm set, we can offer some extra discount ...
    all the best
     
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  11. 18 Jul 2018 at 6:23 PM #91
    samellio

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    Think I’ll just go for the plates as they’re slightly more warranty friendly but thanks anyway :peace:
     
  12. 8 Aug 2018 at 8:28 PM #92
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    Are there any offers on ESS kits for the Z4M, as I’m getting fed up seeing E46 M3 ones being offered for £1k less (same engine, different ECU)?

    Just weighing up a carbon airbox + alpha-n or supercharger, and the e46 prices are tempting at just over 2x the cost, but the Z4M ones are putting me off at almost 3x the cost.
     
  13. 9 Aug 2018 at 11:29 AM #93
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    Hi

    Yes we can supply the following.

    We are able to offer you 10% off which brings the price down to £6220.00 gbp inc vat / duties for the 475 kit or £7520.00 for the VT525 kit. Delivery is normally £60.00, we will offer this at £30.00

    We can also quote for the CSL airbox and ECU tune, but of course s - charging while more expensive offers far more power and wider spread over the rev range.

    cheers
    D
     
  14. 9 Aug 2018 at 12:03 PM #94
    mmmfive

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    It looks like the weak £ is screwing the prices.

    I was expecting to see a saving on the published prices on your website (i.e. £6800 for the Z4M VT525 vs £5800 for the M3), but that pricelist probably hasn’t been updated from earlier in the year.

    Closer to £6k I’d be interested, but £7.5k is way over my budget.

    Thanks for the quote though, and I would be interested in a quote for the airbox & tune.
     
  15. 13 Aug 2018 at 12:49 PM #95
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    hi

    Unfortunately the £ Pound is getting weaker every week against other currencies, (god bless Brexit ! ) which is pushing up prices on us all.
    I can pretty much guarantee the 525 version kit will never get as low as £6000.00 in the foreseeable future, but the 475 kit is close at £6220.00, and you can upgrade that to the 525 later down the line if you wished and according to available finances.

    For the Airbox and ECU A/N tune, do you have a particular preference of brand or shall we offer our best (2) suggestions pls ?

    All the best

    R
     
  16. 13 Aug 2018 at 4:55 PM #96
    mmmfive

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    Best suggestions please.

    I'm also assuming the Z4M one is not materially different to the M3 version?
     

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