TPS problems.

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  1. 11 Feb 2018 at 12:33 AM #1
    7DT

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    So I've had codes 230,120,121,60 all thrown today.

    Car starts fine. Revs fine stationary. But drive it and hit a magic 5k revs and it goes into limp mode.

    Inpa in car shows it thinking the engine is revving at 12 to 14k when it's doing 2-3 In limp.

    Bit of a bummer as I've just had karbononis airbox put on.

    Points to TPS sensor but after speaking to some people am wondering if:
    - could it be a bad tune? I've used a csl clone ecu with vin recoded to mine.
    -related to faulty map or iat sensors including miswired?
    -related to the oil level sensor getting replaced.
    - could moving the dipstick have knocked something loose?

    Or any other ideas? All help appreciated.
     
  2. 11 Feb 2018 at 12:38 AM #2
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    Who did the work for you ?
     
  3. 11 Feb 2018 at 12:44 AM #3
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    Can you borrow someone else's TPS to swap in to see if it cures the problem?
     
  4. 11 Feb 2018 at 1:19 AM #4
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    seems weird, the tps is just a potentiometer so i would get how it could give a duff throttle angle but not how it would influence rpm as thats not dependent on the tps and on the s54 will come from the reluctor ring on the crank in the sump.

    You used to see that kind of thing when you had the wrong coding plug in the dash (4cyl dash in a 6 cly) so my complete guess would be that its something coding wise rather than a fault per se

    best of luck
     
  5. 11 Feb 2018 at 2:56 AM #5
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    Well the ecu is an unknown. It was bought of this site 7 months ago.

    I changed the vin on it using the ecuworx instructions. Started the car. Was fine so we went ahead with the airbox.

    Put airbox on and meticulously checked the wiring and went off the guides on here (incidentally the pin out picture is incorrect for a gm map with abc pin out, but I'll put that in the main thread)

    Only problem we had was the map sensor bein wired incorrectly but rectified that quickly and once that was fixed the engine EML light we had on first start post airbox install went and it started fine.

    Revved it in the garage. All fine.

    So I started driving home and all fine.

    Accelerated onto dual carriageway and gave it some beans, and the MEL came on. Car into limp mode.

    Got it back to garage. Repeated the whole sequence of:
    - clear codes
    - drive car (all fine)
    - rev past 5k-ish (causes eml and limp mode)

    Done this test with inpa running and when it goes wrong the rpm reading is 12 to 15000.

    However the rev counter on the cluster dies bit read that and looks normally (I'd expect the needle to go haywire gong of inpa readings)

    It's baffling.

    The airbox might be a red herring in this, we also changed the oil level sensor as that had gone.

    Also changed rear brake discs pads and wear sensor.

    Also change wheels get on 19 to 18s


    Forgotvto add that We swapped the easy to get to TPS but this had no effect. Literally did the same testvresukting in same rrpm symptom and fault codes eml and limp mode
     
  6. 11 Feb 2018 at 3:51 PM #6
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    I had exactly the same issue and symptoms, replace TPS all good now
     
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    Have you checked the clips on the throttle bodies are not too tight and are not obstructing the linkage? I wouldn’t expect a TPS to just to go like that.
     
  8. 11 Feb 2018 at 5:23 PM #8
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    which sensor? There's 3 of them aren't there? We swapped the easy one as it was cold raining and 10pm
     
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  9. 11 Feb 2018 at 5:25 PM #9
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    Surely it would then exhibit the error codes when revving it whilst stationary?
     
  10. 11 Feb 2018 at 5:26 PM #10
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    Same RPM issue on inpa but not on the dial?
     
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    I could turn off the car turn it back on and it would rest , but would go into Limp mode again , I changed all 3 , one at a time , it was the one on the throttle actuator
     
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    With or without clearing errors? On mine I literally have to clear the errors, and then it's fine until it hits 5k whilst moving.
     
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    I could literally just turn it off then back on
     
  14. 11 Feb 2018 at 6:54 PM #14
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    Replace the 2 sensors, the 3rd one cannot be replaced it's a whole new pedal assembly from BMW or a second hand one from ebay but you take risk again it could also be faulty or go faulty in time.

    When installing the new TPS you must go into INPA and reset the Adaptations for your TPS or it will keep throwing the same EML when driving,

    Mine was having some issue at 3,5k RPM were I could feel a stutter/shake coming on and I knew the car was going to go into LIMP mode if I carried on accelerating any further it would always throw the EML and hand break light in orange, seamed to be worse in sports mode.

    In the end I bought the x2 new sensors from BMW at like £120 each removed the intake pellum slapped a new sensor in deleted all codes reset all adaptations with INPA

    And shes been fine for 2 years now, I do remember this issue it's awful It really doesn't give you any confidence I remember I use to be scared to overtake cars in case my car hit limp mode mid overtake it wouldn't rev past like 2k
     
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    Ended up being either the TPS sensor under the airbox, or the jubilee clips catching. All fixed now. Thanks for all the help and insights!
     
  16. 12 Feb 2018 at 10:59 PM #16
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    For future reference: it's usually the harder-to reach TPS under the airbox that is at fault.
    Maybe because it gets hotter?
     
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    Are there alternatives suppliers to the BMW TPS part or is it OEM only?
     
  18. 13 Feb 2018 at 11:45 AM #18
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    I’m fairly sure Hella make the BMW ones.
     
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    From what I read Hella is or was OEM. I just picked one up off ebay for £48
     

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