Telsy's SSII F80 Comp Pack Build Thread

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  1. 9 Sep 2019 at 9:54 PM #121
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  2. 9 Sep 2019 at 9:55 PM #122
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    I was the same about lowering, but it looks so much better. With the car on the MP HAS kit at recommended heights, it really was not too much of an issue.
     
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    so how much are those kits....not cheap im thinking.
     
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    About £600 for the KW and £1,000 for the MP HAS I think, plus fitting, so allow £1K - £1500 max.
     
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    So, I am not comparing apples with apples, looks like you could get a similar AP kit for the same or less than the Alcon. Alcon comes with curved grove discs and semi floating. This AP kit has J hook fully floating (I think that’s right :ebay:)
     
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    yours sits really low though now..but yours looks lower standard than mine does now.??
     
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    Hope you don't feel this is overshadowing your thread if so I can remove post but to add some bits to the Alcon vs AP.

    It's correct the Alcons are 'semi-floating' discs like the OEM ones whereas the AP ones are 'fully floating' so don't sit tight against the carrier and can move 0.5 - 1mm advantage is they are more efficient at higher speed breaking in terms of cooling and therefore you would have less chance of warping a disc.

    At lower speeds you can sometimes feel them moving around through the pedal on braking this is normal though.

    In terms of prices you can get the Alcons from a few vendors with lines, pads, etc, full set-up for £4600 I've found. Regarding the AP I have found the prices to be marginally higher.

    Highlighting the pad changes the Alcons require caliper removal vs the AP's which you can swap over a set of front pads in 20 mins with ease no doubt at all the AP has the upper hand on this but as said the design benefit of the Alcon does mean no rattle. So really it's preference but for 90% of people the quick pad change will be a massive pro with the AP vs Alcon.

    In short both are quality kits and Alcon also do the Pro kit which isn't massively more expensive or you have the Brembo option as well which is more expensive. I think for 95% of people looking at regular tracking on here the F8x platforms the AP and Alcons (RC6 / RC4 not Pro) will be the best packages.

    If it was based on identical prices me personally I would go for the AP set up, but I'm just trying to justify to myself if it's worth the extra £500 because I'm tight and want both front and rears otherwise my OCD won't allow me to look at my car.

    Can we sort a group buy to get the AP prices down :lolwsign:
     
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    I think stock, all standard settings, the F80 sits lower at the rear than the F82, but higher at the front and then conversely, the F82 is higher rear, lower front.

    On mine now, I get very few problems with clearance and if you can spend some time adjusting the setup, you should get a drop and still be ok. Bear in mind that as you drop the rear, the front end will come up a touch, so as you need to drop the rear more than the front, clearance might not be as bad as you imagine.

    Hopefully someone has the kit on an M4 and can share clearance measurements :thumbsup:
     
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    Not at all, excellent content in that post and very informative.

    The other thing I want to clarify is weights on this kit v’s OEM, so will weigh everything as it comes off and goes on!

    I don’t think you will get an AP kit in any configuration for £4,600; not genuine AP hardware anyway, but with a groupbuy, I bet you could keep it at around 5, on the basis of grooves rather than J hook discs. I am sure @Edrx7 will jump in to support a group buy if people want it, but I will go and have a little cry and roll up more fivers as firelighters if you do!:suicide:
     
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    Lol.....I will always do my best, if people are interested let me know and I will see what I can do but tbh as you know the prices I get are very aggressive anywayo_O

    Pm me if interested... and I can ask my supplier
     
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    Thought people might find this interesting;

    OEM disc - 30.6lbs
    AP racing disc / bell - 21.4lbs

    Thats 9lbs / 4kg of unsprung weight thats quite a weight saving. Can see why those with the CCB's that drive hard say about the difference as I image they also have decent weight saving.
     
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    A bit off topic but I thinn cotswolds offer the m2 competition brakes for 3.6k. I think they are on order tho til October.

    I think these are made by brembo? How good are they in Comparison?
     
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    They do and they are!

    I am sure they are decent, I am not sure on what pad sizes they run or the weights. I had considered the route prior to the AP kit, but I am a bit of an AP tart, so I am biased!
     
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    In very short summary;

    Better than the OEM Blue's we have, not as good as AP / Alcons etc. Basically CCB's without the Ceramic disc.

    Easiest way to describe. OEM Blues = rubbish if you wanted to track
    M2 Comp Brakes = ideal for person that tracks it 2-3 times a year
    Alcon / AP = regular track goers
     
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    I haven't weighed anything here, but according to specs

    fronts:

    OEM Calliper 4.89KG AP Calliper 4.27KG
    OEM Disc 11.29KG AP Disc/hat 12.28KG

    AP is 370gm heavier, plus the pads will be heavier too.

    rears:

    OEM calliper 3.6KG AP Calliper 3.37KG
    OEM Disc 9.25KG AP Disc/hat 8.9KG

    AP is 580gm lighter, but pads will be heavier.

    I will weigh it all when swapping.
     
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    what ap caliper is this bud? The radical 2 is lighter and stronger than the radi-cal 1
     
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    To be fair OEM blues aren’t rubbish on track with decent pads and cooling.

    It’s just as standard the cooling is rubbish so the brakes are left to get roasting!

    I have half decent cooling on mine with RS29’s and they aren’t as bad as you think.

    Telseys set up with decent pads and added cooling will be a step up though.
     
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    Floaters?? Completely lost:eek::D
     
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    Its not what you think! :muttley:
     

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