Non competition pack f80

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  1. 22 Feb 2021 at 11:38 PM #1
    Sur

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    I am looking to pull the trigger on a m3 f80 but need some advice from current owners as I can’t go and test drive due to lock down.

    how bad is the traction issue due to the torque at low rpms?

    I understand that the comp pack has a revised map to smooth out the traction issue but I have found one in the right colour, spec and price range.
     
  2. 23 Feb 2021 at 12:11 AM #2
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    I actually enjoyed the low down torque surge, never noticed any traction issues that others mention any more than the comp, the 2016 one I’m referring to had the 19in 437m with continental. I now have the 2018 F80 comp and although I enjoy it equally as much, I do miss that low down punch, made the car feel quicker

    So it depends what you like, if you prefer a more linear feel then the later maps on comp and non comp (2017 onwards) will give you that, otherwise the non comps pre 2017 are real good fun if you like a more shoved into your seat feeling lower down the rev range, which yes would mean on really wet days and cold temps you’ll have to feather the throttle, but the comp pack requires the same in such conditions. Anyway that’s my personal experience having driven both.

    Good luck
     
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    I actually went to buy a Comp pack car at Colne BMW, they offered me a drive in a non Comp car and I ended up buying it. The non Comp felt quicker to me I assume due to difference in maps, it felt more edgy to me in its power delivery which I enjoy. Also to my tastes it rides better than the Comp did. I’ve not looked backed or regretted my decision and I had my heart set on a Comp initially
     
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    Thanks for the advise, interesting to learn that the non comp received the revised map in 2017. Thanks
     
  5. 23 Feb 2021 at 2:00 AM #5
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    Thanks :beer:. Just have to consider improving my security for the new addition to the family.. disklok and proximity mines. lol:blink::muttley:
     
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    I can only echo the above. My car is a 2015 and when I had the GTS coding done I also had the latest engine software put on. It means the car is easier to drive faster but doesn't feel as fast and in hindsight I would probably go back to the original mapping but with the GTS software for diff, TC etc. How many times do you truly get to wind out the revs anyway .
     
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    I think this is a bigger non-issue than the crank hub slip!:D

    If you have a lead right foot and drive with the subtly of a farmer get the comp pack.

    If you have any concept of modulating the throttle and driving to the conditions you’ll love either version.:thumbsup:
     
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  8. 23 Feb 2021 at 5:52 PM #8
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    Both comp pack and non comp pack were remapped around q1 2016 (when comp pack started) Also suspension was updated on both.

    It's a myth that it was only comp pack.
     
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    This is a true, but believe it was Q4’16 or Q1’17
     
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    I don't recall the Comp packs ever having traction issues?
     
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    I was referring to the map in regards to pushing the torque curve further up in rev range as opposed to low down. The comp pack came with this setting from the outset in 2016, but non-comp had a map update later in 2016, beginning of 2017
     
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    I believe the non comp had the map at the same time. It was the LCI update 2016 which was also intro of comp pack.
     
  13. 23 Feb 2021 at 7:21 PM #13
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    A similar story to me, drove both, went with the standard car which rode better.
    Suspect it was more to do with the 20 inch wheels than anything
     
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    I have to say when I got rid of my M4 and got my first M4 Comp it felt slow to get away but once your moving, the drivability of the Comp was a winner for me. I certainly don't miss spinning up out of every corner but no denying, the non-Comp feels faster, more urgent and more raw but also less refined.
     
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    I dont get the whole traction issue with regards to the mapping, control the throttle with your foot and you will be fine, the cars throttle is predicable so no issues there. The new map with reduced torque shouldn’t really make heads or tails to anyone that can control a throttle and predict how the car is going to act, which like I said is no issue as the car is predictable.

    the biggest traction issue on the car is due to tyres. Change the supersports on the rear when they are done for some PS4S game changer in cold / wet conditions.
     
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    Amen to that

    I can use a fair amount of throttle with PS4S in wet and damp conditions. The M3 is still fast in the wet with the right tyres on
     
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    Have you seen one you like ?
     
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    I found my non-CP to have good traction (within reason :) ) on new tyres, but once you have a few thousand miles on them, the traction level goes South quite quickly. It is quite good fun though...most of the time
     
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    OP i owned a 2014 non comp car one of the first in the UK and the then a 2017 comp car also .

    The original M4 was pretty wild and the power deliver was very heavy on torque low down which as others have mentioned made for an interesting drive .

    I remember the drive back from the dealership i was coming down the slip road onto the North Circular and travelling at approx 50 mph, wanted to accelerate ahead of a Lorry on the inside lane and thought i would floor it to get a feel of the performance , it snapped sideways on me so fast if the DSC had not been on it would have ended badly !

    That car even in summer dry conditions would not take full throttle in 1st gear and slip in second also.

    The later Comp car had the software changes as mentioned and it gave the car a more manageable feel in the lower gears but definitely lost some of the character in the process .
     
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    Most of issues being discussed are related to the software up date, which can be done on the first cars anyway.
    OP, test drive both with an open mind and you'll know which.
     
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