[E46] Mini RTD

Discussion in 'General maintenance, upgrades and modifications' started by theworkerb, Sep 14, 2018.

  1. 14 Sep 2018 at 11:14 AM #1
    theworkerb

    theworkerb Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2015
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Your Motor:
    03 E46 M3 - Mystic Blue
    Looking at improving the gear feel as I really don't like the standard. I have a 'oem ssk', taken from the 335d I think with a weighted oem gearknob, however, I am still not happy.

    Was thinking of getting a Mini RTD from PSDesigns and was just wondering if any other members have bought this and what there thoughts are on these.

    This is a for a road car only and is literally just so that it improves the gear change feel.
     
  2. 15 Sep 2018 at 9:28 AM #2
    theworkerb

    theworkerb Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2015
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Your Motor:
    03 E46 M3 - Mystic Blue
    Anyone?
     
  3. 15 Sep 2018 at 6:28 PM #3
    Crapbag

    Crapbag Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,193
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Carterton, oxon
    Your Motor:
    2003 m3 lsb
    Colour Combo:
    Lsb/black nappa
  4. 15 Sep 2018 at 7:48 PM #4
    theworkerb

    theworkerb Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2015
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Your Motor:
    03 E46 M3 - Mystic Blue
    Hey, interesting read, thanks mate. Still feel like it was a good choice?
     
  5. 15 Sep 2018 at 8:44 PM #5
    Crapbag

    Crapbag Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,193
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Carterton, oxon
    Your Motor:
    2003 m3 lsb
    Colour Combo:
    Lsb/black nappa
    Yeah without doubt. Suits what I use the car for.

    The pattern is very tight and at first you will wonder what gear you’re in. But after a few drives it becomes natural. Everyone that has driven (only 3 that I implicitly trust) have commented on how good it feels even though at first they had their doubts.

    On thing I will say is that if you do any amount of driving that is stop start N - 1 - 2 - N driving it would be a pain. As first to second is the most “arduous” of the shifts. The rest almost throw themselves in.
     
  6. 15 Sep 2018 at 10:19 PM #6
    theworkerb

    theworkerb Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2015
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Your Motor:
    03 E46 M3 - Mystic Blue
    Hmm I find the stock a bit rubbish doing N - 1 - 2 - N will the RTD make it worse?
     
  7. 15 Sep 2018 at 10:28 PM #7
    Crapbag

    Crapbag Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,193
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Carterton, oxon
    Your Motor:
    2003 m3 lsb
    Colour Combo:
    Lsb/black nappa
    Rubbish in what sense?

    My point is that lever force due to you having to push away is at the highest. But it still slots home positively
     
  8. 16 Sep 2018 at 9:00 AM #8
    theworkerb

    theworkerb Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2015
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Your Motor:
    03 E46 M3 - Mystic Blue
    Just the way it feels, I guess I keep comparing it to the Type R that has previously
     
  9. 16 Sep 2018 at 9:22 AM #9
    Crapbag

    Crapbag Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,193
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Carterton, oxon
    Your Motor:
    2003 m3 lsb
    Colour Combo:
    Lsb/black nappa
    I think your problem lays in comparing 2 different sort of apples. Or shift mechanisms in this case. The M3 one is 100% mechanical linkage. Where as the Type R has a cable operated system. The pros and cons can be argued all day. But essentially they’re different. In the Type R you can reduce the throw without effecting (or at least minimising) shift resistance. Where as on the M3 if you reduce the connecting lever throw you increase the lever force the only way to reduce the force, is to reduce upper lever length. But you will always increase force by some amount.

    The beauty of the CAE/RTD shifter types are that they don’t simply change the position of the lever fulcrum (the ball). They eliminate it and create their own with their own lever springs and bushings. So again if your comparing a “normal” SSK to one of the above mentioned ones they’re totally different. And for the better in my opinion. All of the ones I have driven have felt very baulky and a bit of a pain to use. I would say your best bet is to meet up with someone who has a RTD/CAE shifter and see what you think.

    Craig.
     
  10. 16 Sep 2018 at 12:07 PM #10
    theworkerb

    theworkerb Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2015
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Your Motor:
    03 E46 M3 - Mystic Blue
    Thanks for explaining and good idea. Any RTD/CAE owners in Herts?
     
  11. 16 Sep 2018 at 8:15 PM #11
    m3rosco

    m3rosco Achieved official socks

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    4,870
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Norfolk
    Your Motor:
    E46 M3 ESS VT2-525
    Colour Combo:
    PY
    I love my CAE shifter. It's difficult to put into words how it feels! It is actually physically harder to use than OEM (which sounds wrong) but is so so so much more rewarding to use thanks to its bolt action rifle precision. When I first drove it up the road after fitting I initially thought "what the hell have I done" to myself. However, a couple of miles in and I was hooked. And it really comes into it's own when having a "spirited" drive or on track. I wouldn't be without it now.
     
  12. 17 Sep 2018 at 9:01 AM #12
    sweetm3

    sweetm3 On the path

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Location:
    Auckland
    Your Motor:
    1997 BMW E36 M3 202Kw
    Love my RTD, as mentioned it does take a bit of muscle memory training.
    After a couple of weeks I met up with M3AN and we swapped cars.
    Going to a standard shift felt like I had to bend forward at the waist to reach the nob.
    And going from 2nd to third it felt like falling forward.
    It was an amusing feeling.
     

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice