1. 9 Oct 2020 at 5:58 PM #41
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    That’s correct.

    I think he meant keeping your foot in as in on the throttle to correct rather then keeping your foot all the way flat to the floor (which as you said would result in a huge slide).

    But yeah clearly lots of lessons to be learned!
     
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    Probably a combination of things to be honest, the F8x has a reputation for being a real handful, hence the constant revisions.

    Cold tyres is a big thing, even when it is a very dry day but tyres are cold (along with ambient temperature) you will see a lot of RWD cars traction control flashing like mad.

    Once I’ve lost a car like that it is time to move it on as you’ll probably never feel safe in driving it hard - its ok when it is an obvious error that you can avoid next time, but when it is an unknown it is different. Either that or keep TC on. I’ve been through this with a TVR!

    Glad you’re ok though, there is a reason we insure cars so don’t feel too bad about it.
     
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  3. 9 Oct 2020 at 6:09 PM #43
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    That’s almost straight out of the Roadcraft manual ;)
     
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    Glad your ok, and the car doesn't look too bad, I had this on a track day, MDM mode for about 10 laps thought this is good then bang no warning car just span, it was like it had no grip at all, never used MDM mode again TC off is more predictable - Chris Harris commented in a video that the TC in the early M3/M4 was very inconsistent in MDM
     
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    What is a Roadcraft manual...
     
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    I drive my cars in MDM all year round but I will say, the non-Comp cars are lethal in anything other than the dry.
     
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    It was just a metaphor
     
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    In my old 2016 CP I smashed a rear wheel with MDM off and exciting a junction to fast!
     
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    Lol, it's the "old school" Police Advanced Drivers handbook. It's a right riveting read. NOT!
    Back in the day, we had to digest it on an advanced course, and then had to sit an exam on it. Minimum passmark was 85% FFS!
     
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    Both my 65 non-CP and 18 CP caught me off guard in the damp a couple of times without even pushing on. Never more than a big step out (way more than MDM is meant to allow) but enough to remind me not to switch things off in less than perfect conditions.
     
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    MDM in any cold or light rain weather is asking for trouble if not careful. Even the best drivers need room and sadly our roads dont have enough space to catch a loss of traction. It’s one thing knowing it’ll happen it’s another thing when it happens without warning.
    I had a similar thing happen to me even with traction on, very temperamental if conditions do not allow.

    The good thing is you got out without much trouble.
     
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    We got coppers on ‘ere?

    :eek:
     
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    Lol, retired mate! But there's a few in answer to your question :cool:
     
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    I've been driving round with MDM or sometimes traction off probably since April, maybe going into October was a month too far! Lesson learnt. It does seem like MDM is a bit unpredictable, sometimes it lets you have a nuce controlled wiggle and other times it bogs down like traction is fully on.
     
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    Fookin’ell
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  18. 9 Oct 2020 at 9:26 PM #58
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    Why drive everywhere in MDM? Bit foolish no?
     
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    That's the problem with DSC on and MDM, 1 min it will do nothing, the next min it will cut in and at usually the exact wrong moment (so if you need to power out of a slide it will cut the power and give you lift off oversteer), or if you need to pull out of a junction a bit quicker than you expected to, it will cut power.

    Much better to just turn it off, and be alert (read as wait for the car to try and kill you), it makes things much safer as you are ready for it.
     
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    Sorry to hear this mate, no TCS, MDM, DSC, or Driftmode is a given or reliable, its an aid. The fact is no one will ever know what happened, the route cause or underlying cause, or conditions but you at very least.

    It could have been worse, Glad you are ok, the car looks like an easy fix but a few quid, dust yourself off mate.
     
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