Lewis Hamilton the greatest F1 driver?

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  1. 2 Nov 2020 at 9:07 AM #281
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    I agree.
     
  2. 2 Nov 2020 at 5:29 PM #282
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    God (or whoever you night believe in) saved him and made it rain, he's a top guy or girl.
     
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    I don’t believe any of that shíte.

    I guess it was just lady luck coming good after missing out to Kimi by 1 point the previous year.

    What a climax. Massa’s dads face is something I’ll never forget - not in a smug way - I felt sorry for him, but I was obviously super happy Lewis pulled it off after 2007 and a hard-fought 2008.
     
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    I felt more sorry for that Ferrari sign behind him :muttley:
     
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    Yeah I feel sorry for Massa, he got fecked over for years by shuey and Ferrari
     
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    Don’t forget to add Timo Glock to that list :D
     
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    At least in Merc they seem to give the drivers a fair crack, Bottas has all resources and support he just needs to figure out how to go a bit faster.
     
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    Highly doubt the cars are identical. Hamilton probably has some better parts than Bottas as Hamilton is the No1 driver. It's not uncommon for No1 drivers to have priority when it comes to new parts when R&D takes place.
     
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    I think if that was true Bottas would have openly moaned about it by now, he just keeps having a look of I wish hammy wasn't my team mate about him.
     
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    It's not uncommon for No1 drivers to have better/new R&D parts compared to No2 drivers, IIRC McLaren did it with Norris and Sainz at either Monza or Mugello this year with Norris having new/different parts and Sainz not having it. I wouldn't be surprised if there is something in driver contracts that stipulate this along with stipulations saying the drivers can't talk about it. It's also a known fact that Red Bull have tailored their cars to Max's driving style, which Albon struggles with, hence his performance has dropped. No1 drivers will get priority over No2.

    Bottas seems generally unhappy with Mercedes, if you've seen the last few races and listened to the team radio when he pits, he's been quite clear in stating he wants a different strategy to Hamilton so he can at least attempt to attack/race/be competitive and go for more points, i.e. if Hamilton goes on a set of tyres, Bottas wants the opposite, but Mercedes say no as Hamilton is priority and whatever strategy he is on, Bottas will be on. I think it was race before Imola where Bottas wanted to go on softs and requested to do so in his stop, but was instead fitted with hards. I think the race before Imola (or the one before that, I can't remember which) the same thing happened where he wanted mediums but was told no as Hamilton is going on hards, Bottas will be on hards too.
     
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    I dont think there is anything between the top 10 or probably more drivers in terms of out and out speed...the difference for me is balls and racing know how - that's where Lewis (and Schumacher, Senna, Prost etc) have the edge over the others, they are not actually faster, the car will do what the car will do in a straight line when floored, but if you have the balls to push it to the extreme, brake late, take corners on the edge, attack other drivers where most wouldn't because its not safe etc...then that is where the likes of Lewis have the edge and will normally come out on top....

    its like when we were at school - there was always one guy that got the prettiest girl - he wasnt any better looking or hung than the rest of us...he just knew where and how to push it with girls, i mean verbally to keep them interested, where we were all shy and self conscious, he wouldn't care about rejection and knew just how to play it...its all about game time, not what you got.
     
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    Merc have always kept the same strategy for both cars and that is set before the race starts. Merc has lost races because of there unwillingness to be flexible with the stratagy.

    In the examples above, both times Bottas requested to do the opposite to Hamilton and both times IF Merc had done what he asked for, he would have finished further back then he did and neither time would have given him a win.
     
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    interesting...how many merc fans we have on a bmw forum

    me included - in fact I just bought a merc as a run around to save the F90 doing all the boring jobs
     
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    A lot of that is inaccurate actually mate.

    That may be the case at Red Bull, but Mercedes does not run a #1/#2 car. They both get parts if testing has deemed any upgrade worthwhile, and they rarely prioritise a driver with the exception of a couple times at the later stages of a tight championship, and where the title battle is not between the two Mercedes drivers. Russia 2018 was the last, and one of the few times they have used team orders, as the battle was between Lewis and Vettel. After the race Lewis was 'only' 50 points ahead of Vettel. But them prioritising one driver is very rare.

    Mercedes attitude has always been to prioritise the TEAM, and is always data led. Sometimes they will allow an individual call unless the data suggests it could be the wrong move. Hence why when Bottas recently requested different tyres for the final stint, Mercedes only refused as the data showed the hards were the right tyre to use and the softs would potentially be problematic, as they had seen on other cars that had tried them for that long in that race. James Vowles explained it after the race in a decent amount of detail if you want to Google it.
     
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    Accepting that not all F1 cars are equal, at elite level there is rarely much difference between the top ten people in that sport. Except for mental strength and self belief, and that makes one hell of a difference. If you want to see a masterclass of mental self belief and attitude, watch Usain Bolt in the lead up to getting down on the blocks, he's won the race (in his head) before he even starts it.
     
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    It seems to me that there are drivers who are naturally gifted...Senna Hamilton etc...who stand out from the rest of the field. Invariably from their first F1 season or even their first race.
    Then there are drivers like Verstappen who have been immersed in motorsport from a very young age who have learnt to be fast but lack the same natural talent. They are quick but more prone to overdriving and/or mistakes.
     
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    Not sure I agree mate, Merc don't have a number 1 driver, but strategies to some extent do play to Hamilton's driving style as he's the best at getting the most out of the tyres and managing wear. With Merc, the team comes first and foremost, look at the example last week, just before the first crash, it would have benefitted LH massively had he been brought in first as he was making ground on MV and the opportunity was there for an overcut, but as he was not the lead Merc, priority was given to VB to come in first.

    I've been following Merc closely as a team since they took out a minority stake in Brawn, and not once did I think they're favouring one driver over the other.
     
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    I stumbled across this collection of funny F1 adverts. I love the one where hammy is checking out a girls bum, brilliant.

     
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    Congratulations 7 Times World Champion the utter best driver in F1 history.

    A masterclass of a race driving on slicks in the rain.

    Nice one.
     
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    What a masterclass drive, not sure what else he needs to do to win driver of the day. To build a 28 sec lead in those condition over a Merc engined car in 20 laps is just WOW!

    Truly the best in this generation of drivers.
     
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