Help me write the E9x buyers guide

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  1. 21 Jan 2013 at 4:42 PM #1
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    So I think it's about time we got an E9x buyers guide too. What I need is help from you E9x owners.

    If you take a look at the E46 buyers guide you'll see the sort of format and info we're after, mainly:

    • Model changes from year to year
    • Common faults and things to look out for
    • Things in particular related to DCT
    • Anything else only E9x owners would know to look for

    Cheers :thumbsup:
     
  2. 22 Jan 2013 at 6:28 PM #2
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  3. 22 Jan 2013 at 6:30 PM #3
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    In all seriousness surely some independent specialists would be more than happy to help if they get a mention...
     
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    ^^ Agreed :thumbsup:

    Although I wouldn't call this (or the E46 one) a buyers guide per se, but more a wiki/information page. Great idea nonetheless.

    I think a 'buyers guide' should contain information such as (obviously you don't have to use any of this if you don't want :thumbsup:):-

    As with any car the arguably the most important factors are condition, history and service history.

    There is no such thing as an essential optional extra, only personal preference. Obviously the higher the spec the more resale value it will have when you come to sell it, but the more it would cost in the first instance. You may find that you have a broader spectrum of buyers for those cars with the higher spec, but providing the car is well looked after there should be no difficulty in selling it regardless of spec.

    Choosing between a manual gear box and the M-DCT gear box is again down to preference, although the M-DCT has converted many die hard manual drivers.

    The M-DCT gear box can be set to auto, or (clutch pedal-less) manual. In manual mode you change gear by either using the flappy paddles attached to the steering wheel, or by the gear stick which you press forward to change down, and push backwards to change up. Do not confuse M-DCT with other autos/semi autos as it is in a class of its own. It has two proper clutches (as opposed to torque converters), each controlling half the gear box. One clutch controls the even gears, one clutch the odd gears allowing the next gear to be pre-selected leading to lightening fast gear changes. You really should class it as a clutch pedal-less manual as opposed to a semi automatic gearbox, both in terms of performance and operation.

    When you first drive the E9x M3 the first thing to realise is that there are 2 primary settings, key setting and M mode, in which you can choose your desired preferences in terms of performance and handling. Whilst it can be a little daunting choosing your preferences, once set you do not have to change these again (unless you choose to) and you can switch from key setting to M mode by pressing the m button on the steering wheel.


    You change the following settings in m Mode as follows:-

    Throttle response (Confusingly called Power even though no changes to the car's BHP is made). You can choose Normal, sport and sport plus. In sport plus the car comes alive and feels like a true M car.

    Steering weight/sensitivity/feedback (servotronic): Can be set to normal and sport. When set to sport it makes the steering heavier, especially at speed, and also improves feedback through the wheel.

    Gear shift aggressiveness (Drivelogic with M-DCT): Settings 1-6 (6 is only available when DSC is turned off). In the higher settings the gear changes become progressively more aggressive, and you get more blips on downshift.

    EDC setting (if you have it): Comfort, normal and sport. Comfort makes the suspension relatively soft, whilst sport makes it very firm.

    Traction/stability control (DSC): On, M-Dynamic mode (MDM), & Off. When on DSC is fully active. When set to MDM DSC is more active but allows more slip before it kicks in. When off there are no driver aids accept ABS.



    In key setting you can set the following:-

    Throttle response (Power): Normal and Sport only, you cannot can't select sport plus

    Servotronic not available

    DSC: On or off, MDM cannot be set. (Not configurable in the iDrive, only via the DSC button)

    EDC as above.


    Running costs are extremely high with this vehicle in terms of servicing, tyres, fuel, warranty and insurance. Expect around 18mpg from day to day driving, unless living in London where it is more likely to be 12-15mpg.


    Numerous limited edition and individual models have been released since the e9x M3 was introduced. Normally these will have special/individual paint, a unique interior including coloured 'highlights' in the leather, as well as contrast stitching and individual trim. Often there are extra external cosmetic changes such as black wheels, black bonnet vent surrounds, black side repeaters and black exhaust tips. If it's a limited edition you may well find a plaque or etching on the interior trim telling you how many were made, and which build number the car is.
     
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    Bloody hell Snerks..thats my three weeks of research gone up in smoke now!!!!:roflmao:

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    I'm interested in the slight modifications etc and when they took place but I'm struggling to find the information. A little here on wiki but not much.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3
     
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    I think we should add a section about the stereo's also. Covering the topics that confused me when starting to look and, from what I read, still confusing others :

    - CIC Vs CCC
    - Hard drive and / Or USB options
    - Differences between base, business, HK and Individual
    - A section on the difference between E46 HK and E92 HK as they are WORLDS apart so that should be spelt out (as many will be coming from E46 to E92).

    I think a section on the LCI (I think it is called) update in 2009 / 2010 where they changed the rear lights, the position of the seat heater buttons etc.

    I can start up my own version of the differences if you wish, but thought someone else might have a better (more informed) view on the above...
     
  10. 15 Jul 2013 at 10:23 PM #10
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    Calling out the various settings stored on the key, traction control in particular, could save someone having an accident. I had an e92 coupe and nearly spun it coming off a roundabout in 3rd gear in the wet. I used to keep both keys lying around and never paid any attention to which one I was using. Anyhow, one of the keys had the settings from a 'lively' drive in good conditions i.e. traction off. It so happened I picked this one up about a week after the drive when the weather was rubbish. I was a bit lead footed coming off the roundabout thinking the electronics would take care of business but instead I was looking out of the window with my arms fully crossed and just hung onto it. I'm fairly sure BMW will have covered the whole key setting thing off in the manual, but there's plenty of people out there who won't have read it.
     
  11. 15 Jul 2013 at 10:28 PM #11
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    Key setting is only power on/off. M mode has to be selected, or turned off manually :confused:
     
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    Some good info there lads.
     
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    Thanks this is helpful.
     
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    So when did CCC come in and why is it better?

    Can somebody please school me :D

    Did a proper buyers guide ever get created?
     
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    Anyone help?
     
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    CCC is the early option in the cars, CIC is the better of the two, around middle to late 2009 was the introduction of CIC. Easy way to tell is if it has a single ally looking controller with one button I think it is or a controller surrounded by all the buttons for Nav/Stereo/Menu etc
     
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    Cheers mate - I know the buttons and date it changed (was late 2008 build onward actually) but what are the actual advantages of the later system and what are the differences in performance/interface?

    I know it can be retrofitted in either two ways:
    1) Part conversion: just the CIC controller
    2) Full CIC conversion: controller AND replacement of old DVD drive with hard drive

    How much (roughly) will each option cost?

    Is it the same retrofit conversion regardless of what audio system you have?

    Thanks for any answers :thumbsup:
     

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