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Does anyone have any experience with the e60 generation 530i - specifically with the LCI N53 engine? I have seen a manual touring that looks nice, but heared mixed opinions on reliability
 

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Does anyone have any experience with the e60 generation 530i - specifically with the LCI N53 engine? I have seen a manual touring that looks nice, but heared mixed opinions on reliability
Yes I had a 525i LCI with the same N53 engine. Mine was an auto saloon and I would say avoid. A manual touring I would say 100% yes (I currently have a 330i touring manual).

With the N53 the HPFP went (as I'm sure you've read about). The pump cost me over 700 pounds from BMW with the surcharge for the old pump. I replaced it myself. Specialists were quoting 1200 to do the job all in. That and injectors I would be prepared for.
 

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I have an N53 330i and it’s cost me a fortune in issues. It’s reliable now but I have spent a fair bit on it now like over £2000!

Injector issues £250+ each plus fitting
Rocker Cover issues they warp, leak and CCV valve issues £500+
Nox Senor issues £300+
HPFP £800+
Water Pumps £350+
Coil Pack issues £25+ each

Plus other stuff like Vanos solenoids etc if it’s an auto get it serviced around 60,000-80,000 miles that’s around £400+ also remap the gearbox with XHP it’s a game changer!

When it works it will do good mpg (upto 40 mpg on a run) and it’s pretty smooth but be warned of potential issues. When fixed they are fairly reliable, I have done most of the list above on mine and it’s now finally being reliable. Mine had 82,000 when issues started.
 

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Thanks very much, good insight. This is a 2008 manual m Sport Touring on 140k miles. It has good service history. Sounds like it might start to turn into a money pit as it gets older. Also looking at f31 335i Tourings and they seem similar practical size to the e61 - a lot more money though.
 

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My wife has an lci f31 touring it’s a great car to be honest with some nice tech in it. It’s only the 2.0 diesel b47 lump but it drives well and returns great mpg

At that mileage it may have had quite alot of those jobs done would be worth asking him if he has any invoices for previous works
 

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I've also been looking at F31 335i (slim pickings) and more recently the 4 cylinder (20i/28i/30i). Hard to find the right spec and pricing very random (guess everything is a bit like that at the minute). Have seen a few that seem reasonable given the market.

E61 M Sport with a manual box is a winner though. As Hopz says most jobs will have been done I imagine
 

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I've also been looking at F31 335i (slim pickings) and more recently the 4 cylinder (20i/28i/30i). Hard to find the right spec and pricing very random (guess everything is a bit like that at the minute). Have seen a few that seem reasonable given the market.

E61 M Sport with a manual box is a winner though. As Hopz says most jobs will have been done I imagine

Avoid the early 2.0 engines Raif, they suffer with timing chain issues unfortunately.

Look out for the B48 2.0 Petrol engines instead of the N20’s they came out at some point in the LCI models.

Trying to find a decent spec f31 these days is hard work, we picked ours based on spec and condition (it’s got amazing spec) but had to compromise on engine so we only have the 150 BHP 318d (it’s still a 2.0 diesel) it’s ample for a daily and it will be mapped to 200 BHP one day but all the toys make it the car it is.
 

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Going to put my 2cents in.

Whatever BM you're buying second hand they all have their inherent issues. I happen to have a small amount of E60 experience as I bought one last year which I'll be doing a build thread on soon.

From my research into E60s the consensus was to avoid buying the V8 and sticking with the 6 cylinder models. But they too have their issues. The thing is once these issues are sorted, you will have a relatively trouble free car.

My advice is do plenty of research and take your time finding one unless of course the E61 you are looking at checks out OK.
 

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The e61 Touring is on AT at the minute. Looks like a nice car for the money - £6700.
However I put down a deposit on a 2014 F31 Touring 335i. Not cheap but prices seem a bit crazy still and no sign they are settling down. Has a decent spec but not perfect. Haven't seen it in person yet so it may not live up to expectations.
Debating whether to get the BMW insured warranty for this, it has always been under warranty and is about £1000 a year for a full one. From what I have read the main issue with the n55 is water pump failure, it hasn't been done so potentially a warranty makes sense just for that. Having said that I have run Range Rovers, a Jaguar and a 7 series outside of warranty without worrying about it - maybe I am getting old and too cautious :)
 

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Avoid the early 2.0 engines Raif, they suffer with timing chain issues unfortunately.

Look out for the B48 2.0 Petrol engines instead of the N20’s they came out at some point in the LCI models.

Trying to find a decent spec f31 these days is hard work, we picked ours based on spec and condition (it’s got amazing spec) but had to compromise on engine so we only have the 150 BHP 318d (it’s still a 2.0 diesel) it’s ample for a daily and it will be mapped to 200 BHP one day but all the toys make it the car it is.
Thank for the heads up. That's even less cars to choose from then lol.

BMW must have always let the fresh graduates design their 4 cylinder engines. They can't seem to get a timing chain system right
 

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The e61 Touring is on AT at the minute. Looks like a nice car for the money - £6700.
However I put down a deposit on a 2014 F31 Touring 335i. Not cheap but prices seem a bit crazy still and no sign they are settling down. Has a decent spec but not perfect. Haven't seen it in person yet so it may not live up to expectations.
Debating whether to get the BMW insured warranty for this, it has always been under warranty and is about £1000 a year for a full one. From what I have read the main issue with the n55 is water pump failure, it hasn't been done so potentially a warranty makes sense just for that. Having said that I have run Range Rovers, a Jaguar and a 7 series outside of warranty without worrying about it - maybe I am getting old and too cautious :)
Congrats on the purchase, can't go wrong with a 6 cylinder. 335i is definitely the preference (would love a 340i but the prices is so much higher than a 335i I can't justify the difference).

I always thought the N55 was pretty solid. The amount of 135i's tearing around with big power and suspect tuning is a testament to the engine
 

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Thank for the heads up. That's even less cars to choose from then lol.

BMW must have always let the fresh graduates design their 4 cylinder engines. They can't seem to get a timing chain system right

It’s likely because really since forever you only buy a 4 cylinder BMW if your a lease company or a pauper.
 

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Went to pick up the f31 335i Touring today, a 400 mile round trip. Looked good and drove great. But had an oil leak from the front of the engine and oil sprayed around. Had a full main dealer history and only serviced on Monday and nothing had been picked up. Anyway I decided not to go ahead as I had lost confidence.
 

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Sounds like a typical BMW:blink:
 

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Went to pick up the f31 335i Touring today, a 400 mile round trip. Looked good and drove great. But had an oil leak from the front of the engine and oil sprayed around. Had a full main dealer history and only serviced on Monday and nothing had been picked up. Anyway I decided not to go ahead as I had lost confidence.
Which one was it mate. Do you have a link for the ad?
 

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Which one was it mate. Do you have a link for the ad?
It's the only one on AT, a mineral grey one in Surrey. Probably, I was being too picky. I assumed it needed oil filter housing gasket or cam cover gasket replacement. Before travelling down I spoke to the servicing department at the main dealer after it had a full service on Monday and they said no issues so was surprised to see oil down the front of the engine with some in the under tray. Pm me if you want any details
 

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It's the only one on AT, a mineral grey one in Surrey. Probably, I was being too picky. I assumed it needed oil filter housing gasket or cam cover gasket replacement. Before travelling down I spoke to the servicing department at the main dealer after it had a full service on Monday and they said no issues so was surprised to see oil down the front of the engine with some in the under tray. Pm me if you want any details
Oh I think I looked at that one already. Private sale with the big alloys fitted. His photos weren't great if I remember correctly. There was another grey one for sale at a dealer not far from here but the mileage was high
 

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I had a couple of Z4s with the 3 litre N52 but read some sad stories about the N53 in relation to HPFPs and Injectors.

So when I was looking for a 3 Series daily I stuck to N52s.
 

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