Ceramic Coating??

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  1. 24 May 2018 at 8:12 PM #21
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    There's pros to both - ceramic is good for people who will maintain a good wash routine, two buckets and dry properly but wont bother with clay, tar removers, prep and wax top ups.

    Waxing is good for people that want to take a real vested interest in their cars and put time and effort in to maintain an outstanding finish.

    Either way both start with a proper paint prep and polish - without that, they are both a waste of time and money.

    I will say one thing in favour of ceramic coatings, the hydrobaric properties of ceramic coats are way higher than waxes, this means dirt has a harder time bonding to ceramic coated paint and therefore ceramic coated cars and wheels are much easier to clean. Ceramic coats are much better on wheels also as they offer a better level of protection against hot brake dust than waxes.
     
  2. 24 May 2018 at 10:32 PM #22
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    Ceramic coatings should last a couple of years. Not six months. Their purpose is to act as a long lasting wax with hydrophobic properties. The finish is down to the prep beforehand. My car is much easier to keep clean and has a glossier, wet-look finish that lasts rather than me having to use glazes and waxes.

    Thing is results all depend on how good the detailer is.
     
  3. 6 Aug 2018 at 2:55 PM #23
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    My dad had a quote from a body shop where he is having a dent done on his Range Rover sport. They quoted him £300 for ceramic coating, to me this seems way to cheap. What do you reckon guys I would of thought in the region of £600 to be done properly
     
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    Coz its a bodyshop, they wont spend days prepping the car for a ceramic. Take it to a reputable pro detailer if you want it done right.
     
  5. 7 Aug 2018 at 8:20 AM #25
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    When mine gets done I’m always there to ensure the right coating gets put on as I always get the top end products applied.....
    Sounds way too cheap... I would think again
     
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    What makes of coatings are people using fir body and wheels. Mines just about finished in the body shop and looking at this while it's still fresh.
     
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    It is worth doing for the added paint protection, bird poo etching minimisation e.t.c.

    However I think the common misunderstanding with ceramic coating is that people think it can prevent scratches and stone chips.

    No it doesn't and if that is what you are trying to achieve then you require PPF.
     
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    Had my M3 vert coated a little over a year ago now and it still looks and repels water dirt etc like the day it was detailed.

    I paid little more, about 750 if i remember but in my eyes its well worth it. Washing is so simple now and as long as it's done correctly with the right products it'll last for 2/3 years easily. No more days spent waxing and polishing then nursing a bad back for days after.
     
  9. 13 Nov 2018 at 2:52 PM #29
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    Check out @ottdetailing on insta - did full paint correction on my car, and can do ceramic coatings too (baked on)
     
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    There's a whole lot of nonsense being talked on this thread!!

    Ceramic coating is NOT a wax - it bonds to the paintwork, it doesn't sit on top like a wax
    95% of the finished result is in the prep - 2 stage polish as a minimum, after claying and thorough decontamination.
    It needs to cure, preferably overnight
    Good hand wash routines with a PH neutral shampoo/foam will increase the longevity massively. If you go to the local muddy bucket brigade you will undo all the hard work that has been carried out as they usually use corrosive TFR's and acidic products.

    Choose your detailer carefully ( a valeter doesnt suddenly become a detailer, not without a lot of paint corrections and treatments behind him) and look at previous work and reviews, DO NOT let a dealership or body shop anywhere near, at best they will seal imperfections and defects beneath the coating, at worst they will trash your paintwork (it can be a pig to remove properly if not applied correctly)

    Expect to pay around £300 - £600 depending on the size of the car and condition of your paintwork

    It is a fantastic product, you can, if you wish, simply jet wash your car and the dirt just slides off (thats kind of the idea, the dirt is sitting on top of the coating) it repels road film as well .
    I have 3 of my cars treated currently, one of which is approaching 2 years now, can't recommend it enough but as they say "Caveat Emptor" and do your research

    Andy
     
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    What happens after a couple of years? When the beading finish wears through in places, how is the coating replaced or removed?
     
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    Yes my question as well ! Looking at a 575£ ceramic coat on a new M3 but wonder what happens in year 2 when it’s “done” - does it come away unevenly does it need removing or topping up ?
     
  13. 30 Nov 2018 at 6:02 PM #33
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    There's no guarantee that it even lasts 2 years, it doesn't need to be 'removed' as such, but before reapplying i'd presume that the surface would be prepped again with a proper decontamination and a light machine polish/glaze so that the coating can actually bind to the paint.

    If you use (or even worse if someone else uses) the wrong product, it might not even last that long. You'll need to use a gentle shampoo that is ph balanced/neutral

    Even on a new car, you'd still want to prep the paint work as it doesn't come mint from the factory as some would expect...
     
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  14. 30 Nov 2018 at 7:54 PM #34
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    From a bit of reading i see polishing is suggested for removal. So it needs an abrasive. But apparently it isn’t easy to see what’s costed and what isn’t

    Sounding like the wife’s car needs to guinipig a cheap ceramic DIY :rolleyes:
     
  15. 10 Apr 2019 at 10:35 PM #35
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    Hi, My names Rich and Im a professional detailer based in the West Midlands. I own Black Country Detailing.

    As previously stated, the car needs to be machine polished before applying a ceramic coat. Anyone telling you they will just Ceramic your car is ripping you off and should not be recommending this approach.
    When you Ceramic your car, you will be “locking in” the finish underneath so the work required will depend on the condition of your paintwork and how good you want it to look.

    Ideally, you would go for a full paint correction detail, restoring the paint to as new, if not better condition than the day it was made. If the price you’ve been quoted is for a paint correction and ceramic then it’s cheap, but it would depend on what ceramic coating they are going to apply. Most off the shelf products won’t last the twelve months to two years that they claim to last and are inferior to accredited use products. I’ve tried and tested enough of them to know this.

    For the price you’ve been quoted I would say you will be getting an Enhancement Detail which is usually a two stage machine polish to remove light swirls/imperfections followed by the ceramic coating. Therefore your car will not be flawless in its finish, if it has any deeper scratches and heavy swirling. It will be nice and glossy but not defect free.

    I would always recommend a paint correction with a ceramic that will last up to 5 years. You also want to look at ensuring the hardness level of the ceramic coating is high enough too. You want a minimum of 9H. I personally use a 10H coating for maximum protection. (Williams Ceramic Plus) but there’s also Gyeon (9H) which offers excellent durability too.

    The process of a correction detail and ceramic would take between 4-5 days for an average size vehicle and I myself charge a price starting at £750 depending upon the size of the vehicle and how bad the paintwork is, just to give you an idea of the usual cost for paint correction plus ceramic (including wheels and interior valet with seat and carpet protection)

    The answer to your other question about using ceramic on a convertible roof? Basically is it’s a smooth solid surface (metal/plastic) you can but if not such as a convertible roof then no. A roof sealant would be used instead.

    I hope this helps but find out what you’re getting for your money. Enhancement or paint correction? and which ceramic along with the durability guarantee in years along with the hardness level of it.

    Finally, do I know what I’m talking about?
    Yes I do and work at the highest levels of the industry having prepared a winning car at the Concourse D’Elegance last year at Hampton Court while working for my previous employer. I have now moved on in the world of detailing and gone on my own having just opened a new studio in the West Midlands.

    Regards
    Rich - Black Country Detailing

    Ps. If I can help answer any more questions you may have please don’t hesitate to ask.
     
  16. 10 Apr 2019 at 10:42 PM #36
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    After two years you car would need machine polishing again and the ceramic reapplying which is why I have previously stated. Go for a ceramic that will last up to 5 years and not wear off like most of the cheaper ceramics do. If it’s a new M3 you’re having done it will be a new car protection detail you’re getting not an enhancement or paint correction. My prices start at £499 with a 5 year coating so shop around for prices but use a detailer that has experience and comes recommended. Don’t just go for the cheapest.

    Top Tip - Never EVER use the detailing services/packages that the dealerships offer you...!!!
     

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