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  1. 13 Jan 2021 at 11:11 AM #1
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    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-bmw-m3-and-m4-competition-sale-£74755

    So despite an increase in bhp this is curtailed by the increased weight. So it will be barely faster than the last gen.

    Immediate thoughts

    • Ugly exterior, from every angle
    • Nicer interior than previous gen
    • 8 speed ZF AT gearbox is a step backwards compared to DCT
    • There will be few sales of the RWD in the UK while those few who want one will hold out for AWD
    • Discounts will be flooding in as BMW try to shift stock
    • It will be a complete flop and will end production early
     
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    The front seats and rear lights are good.
     
  3. 13 Jan 2021 at 1:35 PM #3
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    X drive out next summer, thought it was this year?
     
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    Simple, the ZF8 isn't as nice as the current DCT.

    My 63-plate M135i had a ZF8 ffs.

    I know the M version might be better but I've driven an M5 with it in and wasn't impressed. Feels more like a slush-box
     
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    Crap review too - clearly they haven't driven it, it's a brochure re-word.

    I was immediately alienated at one of the first paragraphs:

    "Ending a 35-year tradition, the models receive their own individual front-end styling"

    Pretty sure all M-variants of standard cars have different front end styling. Just not as bad.
     
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    I was more meaning why they've put the ZF8 in instead of a DCT
     
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    Possibly because it can't take the extra torque maybe, although tuned current ones seem to manage ok with it....:think:
     
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    So they've reviewed the car but clearly haven't actually driven it. What a crock of ****e
     
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    Simple, for cost reasons. The ZF auto is already available in the base 3 series vehicle. The cost of buying a DCT from a different manufacturer and integrating it into the vehicle is a huge expense.

    High torque from the engine is not a reason as other manufacturers make it work just fine.

    Actually we know the DCT in the F10 M5 was capable of at least 750NM.
     
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    God, i was really looking forward to finally getting an M after side tracking into the AMG, at last minute the last time, I’m just not getting my usual excitement I usually get when I see a new M hits town and I have to get to the launch event.
    Is it the current Covid effect, or BMW heading in the wrong direction? , lockdown changing my priorities in life , or as said above it just does not excite, I will wait till I see a few in flesh and on road to give opinion fully though.
    When I seen a M8 pre launch at BMW head office i was expected to be wowed, but it left me cold as ice, although I still think soon will become the performance GT bargain of the century, or I may be dreaming, but I’m sure I’m not, it will be a depreciation disaster IMHO
    I can’t see the gfv on these G80’s being strong, they will need to be thought to shift on pcp or straight to 0% and 20%+ discount on list, I just don’t understand why BMW want to improve other brands sales, like Porsche, as AMG heading wrong way for me, I’m not sure where to go next possibly the carbon will be on a bike:D
     
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    Maybe in the UK/European market but the real market they're pitching to is China. BMW are playing the numbers games and losing their core UK customers in the process. Do they care though as long as they're making making and increasing profits? All that obnoxious M Performance stick on tat is not aimed at us.
     
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    When are we going get a test drive review?
     
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    And why haven't we had one yet? There are cars on the road in the UK, registered, working.

    Maybe they've caused too many accidents.
     
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    The ZF in my M5 is OK..pretty snappy in the highest setting..I still use the paddles all the time.
    But I would have preferred a 7 speed DCT box though, even as a cost option.
     
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    "I can’t see the gfv on these G80’s being strong, they will need to be thought to shift on pcp or straight to 0% and 20%+ discount on list, I just don’t understand why BMW want to improve other brands sales, like Porsche, as AMG heading wrong way for me, I’m not sure where to go next possibly the carbon will be on a bike"

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    Well I made an enquiry about 2 months ago now, maybe longer on a fairly standard M4 and it was £76,600 and at that time BMW were already sweetening the deal by knocking £4,000 off with a 2.9% APR rate. So that brought it down to £72,600 before I put anything into the deal. He then proceeded to inform me that the GRV was £29,500 !
    WTF I said. My (now ex) F80 Mexico blue M3 had exactly the same GRV to the penny and it was bought some 2.5 years earlier, again WTF? Doesn't sound like a great deal of confidence by BMW to me!
    I told them to stuff it, sadly let the F80 go as it was too much money per month, and have bought an M Performance V8 instead, wonderful car indeed. I should have done this a lot earlier and saved myself from financial suicide!
     
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    It was exactly the same in 2018 Alan, with the then new, M5. The GRV was around £32k, if i remember correctly on a near £100k car. I remember telling the DP exactly what i thought, and what everybody else would think about that. Some time later, they raised the GRV to around £36k, which was still poor imho. I remember buying new Porsches with 60% residuals, years ago, although those days are gone now. Didnt someone else in your family buy a V8 too ?? :D :refuck:
     
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    60% is still there a Porsche. £50k for an £82k car after 4 years on a GT4.
     
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