Apex ARC8 - 18” x 10J ET25 (cheap)

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  1. 16 Mar 2020 at 1:14 PM #1
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    I have a set of Apex ARC8s for sale, these retail at over £1300, this set is for sale for £400, so what’s the catch? Well three of wheels have cracks in them, all cracks are between 10-15mm around the inside of the barrel.

    Amazingly all the wheels still held air, but you would need to weld the cracks up to use them really.

    1 wheel is uncracked
    1 has 2 cracks
    1 has 3 cracks
    1 has 7 cracks


    If you’re a welder or have access to welding services then these will make for a bargain.

    Collection from GU34, Alton, Hampshire.

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    All the cracks look like this:
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    The worst one with 7 cracks:
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    I also have a set of brand new and unused Apex centre caps for an extra £30
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  2. 16 Mar 2020 at 6:51 PM #2
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    Out of interest, how much action have these seen to have so many cracks?
     
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    I would say “My Nurburgring Instagram” is a bit of a giveaway perhaps ?
     
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    Yeah, the car is only used on track, hence the cracks, on a road car you could do mega mileage on them.

    On track a wheel is a mechanical consumable, just like a wishbone or a wheel bearing; it’s a regular occourance that we just have to live with.
     
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    Well yes, saw that, but I was more after how much abuse this set had seen. Never know how many sets/spares people have. I was thinking of buying a set (no means to get these repaired cheap though)
     
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    Three of these wheels have done maybe 1500 laps of the Ring as well as other tracks in U.K. and Europe.
     
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    Mitch - these are only fit for the bin. What sucker wants welded up rims ?
     
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    If you have a Ac/dc TIG welder capable of welding aluminium sat in your workshop at home plus the the ability to pre-heat the wheels before welding them (a necessity when welding aluminium) then its only really my own time . Just bought 4 new MPS4S in 19s for my car otherwise I would have been very interested as it’s only my time as I already have the gas and the rods .
     
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    LOL!!
     
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    There's more to it than just tigging them up mate. Preheat will help granted but if you're not careful the cracks will just chase all the way through. I wouldn't be trusting potentially my life to that.

    Edit, what grade filler rods have you got, is it compatible with a cast alloy? Remember these aren't aluminium sheet that you can weld with 5356 rods. Aluminium and Alloy are very different things.
     
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    I’ll drop them off next week
     
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    Surely you can just stop drill the cracks, then weld it up ?
     
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    In my experience that doesn't really work on a cast alloy (material, not wheel as we wouldn't weld them), as per my edit doing this is a far cry from running a T fillet on 2 bits of plate.

    Welding wheels is dangerous at the very best of times, the makeup of the material means it isn't designed to be welded, so the only way to do it properly would be a joint specific procedure that is then mechanically tested to see what forces it can take and decide if they're safe. Which they more than likely won't be.

    This is without even considering that the shape is probably deformed currently and no longer perfectly round, plus with the heat input needed will probably put it even further out of round.
     
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    If you are doing it for yourself then it's just your time but if you had to do it as a paying job then it would not really be cost effective as to do the job properly would run into hundreds of pounds of labour.
     
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    Seems to be lots of "armchair and internet" experts out there , my knowledge and practical experience has been gained from previously working for many different top level F1 teams,WRC teams,
     
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    Having had welded wheels fail on me in the past and running a fabrication business where we weld complex alloys on a daily basis I’m pretty far from an armchair expert.

    Frankly to tell people it’s so easy to weld in your shed is irresponsible.
     
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    What I dont understand is if you arent crashing how is a wheel having a harder life on a track than on our potholed roads?

    Granted its going faster but you arent [email protected] it all the time on massive holes in the road.
    Tracks are flat & smooth.
     
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    The Nurburgring is far from flat and smooth. It's no A or B road in the UK but there are plenty of bumps + the added factor of pounding any kerbs.
    Mitch is far from a steady driver and won't be going easy on any part on his car. I can understand the state they have ended up in.

    I would expect on the road once welded up these would be fine, especially the amount of mileage a lot of cars get on here. But no chance I'd be putting these back on a track car.

    At the end of the day they're cheap enough if someone wants to make a huge saving and do a refurb themselves. If you're not interested it's easy enough to ignore this post.
     
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    Not sure what tracks you’ve been on bud, but apex and exit curbs are there to be taken.


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