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Old 13th September 2011, 07:50 PM   #1
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has anyone bought a car from these before? there located near wigan, lancaster, they have an extensive range of m3's.

my main worry is that for a dealer they are working off a mobile number, and good old mike brewer used to say always be wary of this!!!

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Old 13th September 2011, 08:43 PM   #2
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I found them on Pistonheads as well and some of their cars looked really nice. Like you, I just didn't get a good vibe from a mobile only number and an address on a residential street, even though they have a website:
http://www.sjspecialistcars.co.uk/
I cannot comment other than a vibe though!

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Old 13th September 2011, 08:52 PM   #3
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i think they must have the cars in a warehous somewhere as the photos are all outside a house, and viewing is by appointment only, this also gave me a bad feeling, but he seems to have a lot of cars sold on the website
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Old 14th September 2011, 02:12 PM   #5
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You must have the wrong address mate! Website I was on had 5pages of stock!!
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I foned up and got the guy himself. It was a bank holiday so he was in the pub. When i asked him info on the car though he was mega clued up. New all the BMW questions and answers. I think he had like 7 M3s for sale at the time so he must really know his stuff

Other than that ive no idea. He did seem a nice fellow though
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So did anyone end up dealing with this guy in the end?

Something in his current stock is pushing all my buttons but am wary of the overall dodgy feel of the operation.
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I very nearly did a deal with him on this:
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3384684.htm

The guy Scott that owns it is a very clued up nice guy, I would buy a car off him in future.
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Good stuff, thanks Shane.
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Old 2nd December 2011, 06:10 PM   #10
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I phoned him once earlier this year on a silver grey one with Ink blue interior, looked a very nice example......he said it had been sold and tried to steer me onto one of his other cars which I was not intrested in, a week later and on other ocassions the same advert was put up. Just my 2p worth.
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i nearly did, but just had this gut feeling that something wasnt right, whats the likelyhood of everycar he has been in pristine condition as he says,

just never felt right to me, i have always been told never deal with a dealer that works of a mobile phone! its on of the golden rules!!
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i nearly did, but just had this gut feeling that something wasnt right, whats the likelyhood of everycar he has been in pristine condition as he says,

just never felt right to me, i have always been told never deal with a dealer that works of a mobile phone! its on of the golden rules!!

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Few thoughts here

SJ specialist cars is not registered with companies house. So he is either a sole trader or a ltd company trading under a different name.

There is no reference to his company incorporation number on website if it was a ltd company.

I would guess he stores stock in a non customer facing location and brings a car home for viewing on appointment has been made.
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If the car is as described, checks out on the system as all good what is the big deal over who is selling it? Surely you will be going to view the car, when your there do a reg check, bring a competent person with you if you are not yourself and do a deal. Mobile numbers, business numbers etc etc if i wanted it i'd be in his street talking turkey. Just my pennies worth.
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If the car is as described, checks out on the system as all good what is the big deal over who is selling it? Surely you will be going to view the car, when your there do a reg check, bring a competent person with you if you are not yourself and do a deal. Mobile numbers, business numbers etc etc if i wanted it i'd be in his street talking turkey. Just my pennies worth.
Well, I guess the concern is that if you are stumping up a lot of cash on buying a car from a trader you would do so to receive associated benefits i.e. warranty and some form of comeback if the gearbox lunched itself after a week or the vanos went , etc. If a guy is trading from home with a mobile number then I would guess it does not inspire a lot of confidence. It would make me question the approach if you called back with a serious problem.

If the trader had some premises, maybe a landline etc and was trading as a company that was registered with CH and VAT registered etc then it would be easier to be more confident in spending a large amount. By law you have to list your VAT number and incorporation number and that is missing from the site. If he is turning over a lot of tock then I would guess the VAT threshold would be breached.

I'm sure he is a reputable guy and trades good cars etc I'm merely adding speculative thoughts to the discussion.
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Old 3rd December 2011, 10:16 AM   #16
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Well, I guess the concern is that if you are stumping up a lot of cash on buying a car from a trader you would do so to receive associated benefits i.e. warranty and some form of comeback if the gearbox lunched itself after a week or the vanos went , etc. If a guy is trading from home with a mobile number then I would guess it does not inspire a lot of confidence. It would make me question the approach if you called back with a serious problem.

If the trader had some premises, maybe a landline etc and was trading as a company that was registered with CH and VAT registered etc then it would be easier to be more confident in spending a large amount. By law you have to list your VAT number and incorporation number and that is missing from the site. If he is turning over a lot of tock then I would guess the VAT threshold would be breached.

I'm sure he is a reputable guy and trades good cars etc I'm merely adding speculative thoughts to the discussion.
I can see both points here which is why I was interested to see if anyone had used the guy to see if their experiences would sway my decision.

I agree that if the car is right then the question of who is selling it is kind of irrelevant and that I will have to do my own checks regardless of where I buy from.

But as Pig skill points out the reason I'm looking to buy from a trader is so that if anything major is hidden away waiting to go bang I'll have at least a 3 month period to find that out in terms of statutory rights and maybe more if there's a warranty attached. However none of that is any good if the trader's contact details turns out to be nothing more than a PAYG mobile and a website.

If I decide to take the risk of buying without a safety net by going private then I can find similar mileage & spec cars for less, maybe that's what I'll do and just bank the saving in case of problems.

It may be the case that this guy has trade connections which allow him to source all these minty cars and that he has chosen to work off a mobile and a front drive to maximise profit by shifting volume with low overheads and that he's perfectly fine to deal with. But I have to say that I'm sceptical and before making the journey from Brum to Wigan I thought I'd see if anyone else could fill in some blanks for me.
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I'd simply ask the guy straight and explain to him your concerns. Go view the car get a feel for the deal then if you want it have everything regarding warranty put in writing. I do understand pigskill point and it is a fair one. I've always viewed the second hand car market as part chance anyway. Im sure you will sus the situation out apon a meeting with the guy in question.
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Old 3rd December 2011, 10:34 AM   #18
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I'd simply ask the guy straight and explain to him your concerns. Go view the car get a feel for the deal then if you want it have everything regarding warranty put in writing. I do understand pigskill point and it is a fair one. I've always viewed the second hand car market as part chance anyway. Im sure you will sus the situation out apon a meeting with the guy in question.
I think that's what I'll end up doing.

Just a couple more to look at locally first, wrong colour combos and specs but will help me with getting a feel for what is out there and to develop the feeling about the car.
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If the trader had some premises, maybe a landline etc and was trading as a company that was registered with CH and VAT registered etc then it would be easier to be more confident in spending a large amount. By law you have to list your VAT number and incorporation number and that is missing from the site. If he is turning over a lot of tock then I would guess the VAT threshold would be breached.
By what law do you have to put your VAT number on your website? I'm VAT regd and I don't have my VAT number on my website! Think that's bollox. I too called about the grey one with the blue interior but that was sold, as was another one on there I asked about, so he seems to keep a lot on there that aren't for sale any more. Other than that if the price was right why wouldn't you deal with him? Just price it up as from a private sale
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Yes make sure you get the one you want buddy. Its very much a buyers market at the minute and cash is king!
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