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Old 30th July 2018, 09:15 PM   #1
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First post on here (although I have lingered for many months). I have been trying to search for a M3 evo saloon on and off for about the last 6 months now. I've struggled until now to really find one that I want to fully commit on. Having owned an E36 saloon (only a 320i facelift) from 19-25 I learned a lot about the typical problems you can get with these under hood and around the body. I have been around some E36 M3 evos growing up so have a fair amount of knowledge of what to expect.

They either have shady owners (a certain model lingering around on Piston Heads) that don't want to give you a cold start or phantom oil leaks etc. I've got alerts set everywhere I can imagine - AutoTrader, autoclassics, eBay, gumtree. Regularly checking manually on PH as well.

I know someone's going to say just get a coupe but I've always wanted a saloon since I was 15!

What I really want to know if anyone else is having the same issues or has any recommendations of where to look are clean examples for sale.

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Old 30th July 2018, 10:40 PM   #2
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Old 30th July 2018, 10:51 PM   #3
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Well 6 months isn't such a long time for something so rare nowadays. Maybe a couple of years ago you 'd have the ability to chose between a number of E36s but now the "offsider" is re-incarneiting.

Keep looking and don't give up. It took me 1.5 year to find my E46 - which wasn't 100% what I was looking for.
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Old 30th July 2018, 11:20 PM   #4
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Makes me wish Iíd never sold my saloon.....

97 Black on Modena tan interior (I think), 65k on the clock and fBMW service book.

Think itís died now as doesnít appear on the MoT checker etc... which is sad.
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Old 30th July 2018, 11:53 PM   #5
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Hi Tasangra,

Went through "the search" for a good E36 M3 saloon a year back. Love the 'loon, as I think it is the best handling M3 (and I have driven a few - for reference I also own a Lotus Elise series 1 to base that opinion off) and I have owned two now (the first between 2005 and 2007 was perfect 1996 Evo in Cosmos Black 6 speed with Black Nappa, and I should have never have sold it) and here is what I learnt.

Took me a year to find the right car: be patient in your search.

They come up but rarely, and when they do the good ones go quick: I live in London but a 1995 3.0, with perfect black nappa, came up in Loughborough and I bought it after it being on the market for 6 hours. It went on at 7am Saturday morning and I hand bought by 1pm after getting a quick train there and checking BOTH the car and the owner (see below).

Buy the Seller not the car: if the person knows the car, is meticulous at what they know about it and have kept it well, you will buy the right car. The bloke I bought the car from was obviously an utter BMW saloon zealot and had spent £12,000 on a car that I bought for £8,500.

Price: cars on the market less that 9,000 now are utter rubbish. Pay 9,500 to 12,000 for a good car. I lucked out at 8,500 but it did have some underbody rust that still needed dealt with.

3.0 or Evo: preferably evo. The Obd2 and the 6 speed make it worthwhile. My 3.0 has a proper E36 420G going in and it will make it 95% as good as the 3.2, but more bombproof and a little less madder at the top end.

Get a good interior: you can fix rust but a good nappa or stock material is a beautiful thing. So chuffed with my nappa is as good as it is.

Good luck. Please do not hesitate to contact me of yoy have any 'loon buying questions.

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Old 31st July 2018, 07:28 AM   #6
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Thanks for all the replies everyone. I knew it would be a long game but I thought I might be missing something. Guess you've all just reassured me!

It's definitely an evo I'm after for many reasons. I agree anything under about £10k is a pile of s***e most often after many calls with owners. I'm not too bothered about interior as I know I can get all the bits with not too much effort. All I'm bothered about it how it runs and has been maintained, and of course minimal rust. Any cosmetics can always be sorted but the engine can't always be saved. I think the hardest part is looking past a resprayed rust free shell to see how the hearts breathing!

Which site did you see yours Winno? I think I saw your thread earlier was it a silver M3 you picked up? Definitely remember seeing something about a 'cheaper' M3 with bits of work needed on here
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...The Obd2...
No Euro-spec M3 was ever OBD2.
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Hi Taran,
Was surprised to see this, you're the chap who I invested lots of time talking to about my car (this one http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=195790), arranged to view it, then at the last minute before viewing offered £6k over text message before even seeing it because on the last MOT it had a single advisory for 'oil leak' and didn't come to see it. This even though I offered to have a local specialist - Barry (BSS on here who's done a fair bit of work to the car), CPC or Munich Legends look at and if necessary fix any oil leak if you bought it - it's pretty trivial and I've not even looked at it, but I've fixed a few oil leaks with the cpv valve and rocker cover over the past couple of years. I'd like to think my car is a well known and a decent example, can understand it's not for everyone as clearly with the mileage it isn't a collector's car, but I was quite surprised at the way you behaved towards me and then to see this thread!
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Old 31st July 2018, 09:04 AM   #9
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That's right I remember speaking to you. As I said over the phone considering you had tried a few fixes to sort this leak the balance of probabilities implies it will probably come back again until root cause is found. I know it's a very tedious process of elimination and I have been there before on an E36, again like I mentioned to you, and I'm just not willing to go through that rabbit whole again. I put in an offer that low as that's what would be reasonable if I were to change the engine as i can obtain one easily and I know that one inside out. You said no, I moved on. That just weren't for me given that I've been there before and the scale of non OEM parts I would have to replace.

I can't argue it's not a tidy model, just wasn't worth the risk and time in my eyes. Hope that's cleared things up with you. I've had many oil leaks 'fixed' but they're only ever temporary if the first few diagnostics haven't worked.

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Old 31st July 2018, 09:56 AM   #10
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Hi Taran - no, bought a Hellrot 3.0 with over 12k worth of recent reciepts (I kid you not)

I test drove a silver Evo saloon car in Ormskirk and it turned out it needed a lot of work. Still - it was going for 6.5K so you could budget that in. I just could not go past the red car - it was a brilliant drive..

I found it on car and classics. I am on my phone right now, will link to the site when I get on the lappy..

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Ah well, I'm obviously a bit put out at you wasting my time, that and I think you're quite misguided on what's important when looking at one of these old and think you may come unstuck, but good luck!
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Op I think your looking for a Unicorn. Trying to find the "perfect" car for lack of a better word is naive imo. I think you are having commitment issues
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I took me 7 years before I found my unicorn M3.

And thatís an SMG vert. Go figure
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I took me 7 years before I found my unicorn M3.

And thatís an SMG vert. Go figure
And Alpinweiss! Do you know how many were actually built - it probably is more or less a one-off isn't it?!
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Ah well, I'm obviously a bit put out at you wasting my time, that and I think you're quite misguided on what's important when looking at one of these old and think you may come unstuck, but good luck!
Sorry you feel that way pal I'm never out to waste time I genuinely was interested. Maybe I am misguided and that's exactly why I've posted on here, just to make sure I'm not looking along the wrong lines - after all this is my first M3 I'm going for
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That's right I remember speaking to you. As I said over the phone considering you had tried a few fixes to sort this leak the balance of probabilities implies it will probably come back again until root cause is found. I know it's a very tedious process of elimination and I have been there before on an E36, again like I mentioned to you, and I'm just not willing to go through that rabbit whole again. I put in an offer that low as that's what would be reasonable if I were to change the engine as i can obtain one easily and I know that one inside out. You said no, I moved on. That just weren't for me given that I've been there before and the scale of non OEM parts I would have to replace.

I can't argue it's not a tidy model, just wasn't worth the risk and time in my eyes. Hope that's cleared things up with you. I've had many oil leaks 'fixed' but they're only ever temporary if the first few diagnostics haven't worked.

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What a load of twaddle.

If your put off by the odd oil leak you are very simply looking at the wrong car, and by that I mean the wrong age, wrong make and the wrong model.

These are all old cars and unless your looking to pay a massive premium will all have issues that need to be resolved. That resolution will likely take time and effort.
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What a load of twaddle.

If your put off by the odd oil leak you are very simply looking at the wrong car, and by that I mean the wrong age, wrong make and the wrong model.

These are all old cars and unless your looking to pay a massive premium will all have issues that need to be resolved. That resolution will likely take time and effort.
It wasn't just the oil leak if you read my post it's the extent of non OEM parts. It would take me way too long to be able to source all of these. That was the main factor along with other things and I was honest about that
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And Alpinweiss! Do you know how many were actually built - it probably is more or less a one-off isn't it?!
I do.

It's on of 15 LHD 3.2 verts made in Alpinweiss.

12 of which have a black leather interior.

To be more specific, of these 12, 10 had the regular black nappa leather interior, 2 had the extended black interior.

I have one of these 10 (but now with extended leather dash pieces).

And probably the only one out of all 12, that left the factory without the radio aerial.
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I knew you would! But do you know how many of the 12 were SMG?!
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Tim

That's right I remember speaking to you. As I said over the phone considering you had tried a few fixes to sort this leak the balance of probabilities implies it will probably come back again until root cause is found. I know it's a very tedious process of elimination and I have been there before on an E36, again like I mentioned to you, and I'm just not willing to go through that rabbit whole again. I put in an offer that low as that's what would be reasonable if I were to change the engine as i can obtain one easily and I know that one inside out. You said no, I moved on. That just weren't for me given that I've been there before and the scale of non OEM parts I would have to replace.

I can't argue it's not a tidy model, just wasn't worth the risk and time in my eyes. Hope that's cleared things up with you. I've had many oil leaks 'fixed' but they're only ever temporary if the first few diagnostics haven't worked.

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What are you smoking?

Itís an oil leak, a 20k m3 could develop an oil leak a week after you buy it...

Your trying to justify an insulting offer by rationalising swapping an engine because of an oil leak.....which is ridiculous!
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