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Old 16th April 2018, 09:23 AM   #1
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I lurk more than I post, met a few guys off here at various track days!

After a bit of advice, I've spent about 15K on my M3 (Including buying it at 8K) pretty much renewed all bushes, suspension (coilovers),CSL AIRBOX, ECU, ARBS, AP BBK etc etc.

I pretty much just use it on track and the odd weekend blast, my question is at Silverstone Sunday Service I saw a stripped out Estoril Blue M3 Caged and buckets etc.

The question I have is, if I take the next step and strip it down, buckets and cage would I lose shed loads of money should I look to sell the car in the future?
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Old 16th April 2018, 09:26 AM   #2
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Depends upon who you are selling it to and whether you are keeping everything that you take off in order to be able to put it all back.

That's a bit of a scary thought; buying a mint car only to find out that it was a regular track day car for a few years!
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Old 16th April 2018, 09:29 AM   #3
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Yeah more than likely its going to devalue it after this point.

Didnt stop me though, still took the drivers seat out....
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Not if you keep all the bits, return it to standard when you sell.
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Not if you keep all the bits, return it to standard when you sell.
Unless he is bolting the cage in, which is silly if he is going all in, it won't be reversible, at least not easily. Even the bolt in ones you will have be decent with angle grinder and welder. Full weld in its very much a plasma torch job.

It depends how far you are willing to take it and how much work you going to put in. There are E46 m3 track cars out there worth 15k to 45k, if you race prep the chassis then it will be worth a lot more compared to bolt on items that can be swapped out with ease. Also it depends how flooded the market is and when you are selling...
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Unless he is bolting the cage in, which is silly if he is going all in, it won't be reversible, at least not easily. Even the bolt in ones you will have be decent with angle grinder and welder. Full weld in its very much a plasma torch job.

It depends how far you are willing to take it and how much work you going to put in. There are E46 m3 track cars out there worth 15k to 45k, if you race prep the chassis then it will be worth a lot more compared to bolt on items that can be swapped out with ease. Also it depends how flooded the market is and when you are selling...
Its my understanding that once a car has had a cage “welded” in. It cannot be removed! Apparently the original structural integrity has gone.
Weld in cages are full commitment.
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Its my understanding that once a car has had a cage “welded” in. It cannot be removed! Apparently the original structural integrity has gone.
Weld in cages are full commitment.
Nah it can be removed, toughest bits would be cleaning up the points where the cage is welded to the structure, esp the main hoop since it is right in the corner. You will prob end up with holes in chassis once it is totally out, depends on your approach really, but nothing some sheet metal and welder aint gonna fix. Removing mine hopefully in the off season coming.
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Its my understanding that once a car has had a cage “welded” in. It cannot be removed! Apparently the original structural integrity has gone.
Weld in cages are full commitment.
Yes very much dependant on cage type - possible to take one out unless it's a really extensive/well fitting one but having put several in various things, not sure I'd want to!
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Judging by how much well prepared track cars sell for if you do it properly welding in a cage, good quality upgrades will only increase its value.

Tegiwa sold one of their M3 cup cars recently for around 25k and they don't even use the best quality stuff.

Weld in cage, AP/Alcon BBK, CSL gear in a car with good maintenance history, all potential weaknesses fixed like boot floor, con rods, head gasket tend to fetch pretty big money.
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Thats great thanks for your input guys!

I think I'm going to go for it, just need to find some decent buckets and a cage!
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Thats great thanks for your input guys!

I think I'm going to go for it, just need to find some decent buckets and a cage!
Stay away from cobras. Uncomfortable af. Got to a shop and see of you can sit in one. Sparco are decent for the price
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As above I above I brought one with the right maintenance then stripped and tracked it
Regular maintenance and more than required oil changes and alike
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The car you saw at the PHSS was probably this one - http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=180739

Cracking looking thing, seems to have been done to a decent standard too. As others have said, if you take the same approach then it shouldn’t depreciate as a result. You’ll never get back all the cash you put into it but you shouldn’t lose that much assuming you ever sell it.
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The car you saw at the PHSS was probably this one - http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=180739

Cracking looking thing, seems to have been done to a decent standard too. As others have said, if you take the same approach then it shouldn’t depreciate as a result. You’ll never get back all the cash you put into it but you shouldn’t lose that much assuming you ever sell it.
Great car that, get yours to a similar level to that and you will make money, that would go for 25k quite easily I suspect, maybe more.
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Great car that, get yours to a similar level to that and you will make money, that would go for 25k quite easily I suspect, maybe more.
Funnily enough I plan on using your car as inspiration for mine once I’ve bought one. I like the “CS” spec, still usable as a daily whilst being good on track.
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Funnily enough I plan on using your car as inspiration for mine once I’ve bought one. I like the “CS” spec, still usable as a daily whilst being good on track.
Thanks buddy, yeah got mine pretty much where I want it now, very fast in a straight line for NA ([email protected]) at Santa Pod and does the track work stuff like a treat, but remains perfectly capable as a daily.
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You could do it gradually, get some nice bucket seats and harnesses, then go 4.1 diff.

Put some lightweight carpet in and keep it looking nice.

Then when you think your getting near the limit and want some safety fit a cage
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If you take out the rear seats, make sure you leave bolts in the various seat belt receptacle holes. It helps support the RACP
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And get a project thread up
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You could do it gradually, get some nice bucket seats and harnesses, then go 4.1 diff.

Put some lightweight carpet in and keep it looking nice.

Then when you think your getting near the limit and want some safety fit a cage
Except you can't really safely mount conventional harnesses without a cage. Belt angle needs to be no more than -20 degrees from horizontal.

There are some road-legal 4 point ones which have a special break-away section in one of the shoulder belts to prevent submarining.
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