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Old 6th February 2013, 08:27 AM   #1
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James and I have been receiving a very high number of PM’s, the majority of which could be considered FAQ’s (Frequently Asked Questions). I have found myself answering the same or very similar questions repeatedly.

We have decided to start this thread inadvance of the release of the new and imporved Redish Motorsport web page in an attempt to answer these questions in a public thread as opposed to via PM. The hope is that people/members will be able to find answers to some of the more common questions here.

Please feel free to ask whatever you like (within reason obviously guys) and James or I will try and answer as quickly as possible, I would hope in most cases within a few hours, if not, within a couple of days for more complicated requests.

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The Inspection 2 as provided by Redish Motorsport includes exactly the same as a BMW main dealer would:

BMW Inspection II for BMW E46 M3

Change oil and oil filter while engine is at normal operating temperature.
Use only Castrol TWS Motorsport SAE 10W-60 Synthetic oil, or Castrol Formula RS 10W-60 Synthetic oil, BMW p/n 07 51 0 009 420.

Check transmission for leaks.

Check rear axle for leaks.

Half shafts: Check for leaks at flexible boots.

Visually check fuel tank, lines and connections for leaks.

Check condition, positioning, and mounting of exhaust system. Examine for leaks.

Check power steering system for leaks. Check p/s fluid level; add fluid if necessary.

Check overall thickness of rear disc brake pads using special tool. Record results. If replacement is necessary*:
Examine brake disc surfaces. Clean brake pad contact points in calipers. Grease wheel centering hubs. Check thickness of parking brake linings only when replacing rear pads. Record results.

Remove and install front disc brake pads, check overall thickness.
Examine brake disc surfaces. Clean brake pad contact points in calipers. Grease wheel centering hubs.

Check brake and clutch system connections and lines for leaks, damage, and incorrect positioning.

Check steering for absence of play, condition of suspension track rods, front axle joints, steering linkage and joint disc.

Check parking brake actuation. Adjust if necessary.

Check all tire pressures. Correct if necessary. Check condition of tires (outer surfaces [left/right]), tread wear and pattern.

Inspect entire body according to terms of rust perforation limited warranty (must be performed at least every two years).

Replace transmission fluid.

Replace differential oil.

Read out diagnostic system.

Check and adjust valves.

Check engine cooling system/heater hose connections for leaks. Check coolant level and antifreeze protection level; add coolant if necessary.
Note: Coolant must be replaced every 4 years (time interval begins from vehicle's production date). If required +£50

Check level of brake and clutch fluid in reservoir. Add fluid if required.

Replace brake fluid every 2 years (timing interval begins from vehicle's production date). If required +£55

Check windshield washer fluid level and antifreeze protection. Fill up and/or correct if necessary.

Check air conditioner operation.

Replace microfilter.
Note: reduce replacement interval in dusty operating conditions.

Reset Service Indicator.

Replace intake air cleaner element.
Note: Reduce replace interval in dusty operating conditions.

Replace spark plugs.

Check battery state-of-charge, and charge if required.*

Check lighting system, i.e., headlights, foglights, parking, back-up, license-plate, interior (including map reading lights), glove box, flashlight, illuminated make-up mirrors, luggage compartment lights.

Check instrument panel and dashboard illumination.

Check all warning/indicator lights, check control.

Check turn signals, hazard warning flashers, brake lights, horns, headlight dimmer/flasher switch.

Check wipers and washer system(s);wiper blades, washer jet positions.

Check condition and function of safety belts.

Recharge or replace batteries for remote controls in all vehicle master keys.

Check central locking/double lock.

Check operation of all latches.

Check heater/air conditioner blower fan, rear window defogger.

Check rear view mirrors.

Visually examine the SRS airbag units for torn covers, obvious damage or attachment of decals, decorations or accessories.

This has a price of £580+ vat (£696 inc vat)

If other parts are found to be worn as part of the inspection or require replacement contact would be made with the customer before proceeding with any additional works so there would be no nasty surprises come collection and payment time.

The valve shims are £4.25 each and would only be replaced if required with no additional labour charges.

The whole process takes 6-7 hours but the valve checks need to be done with the engine temp below 35deg C. The engine temp must be below 35deg C, which is checked with INPA software before the valve check can be performed.

Only OEM parts are used as part of the Inspection 2, for additional works this would be discussed with the customer.

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Old 7th February 2013, 10:47 AM   #3
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BMW Inspection I For BMW E46 M3

Undercarriage

Change oil and oil filter while engine is at normal operating temperature.
Use only Castrol TWS Motorsport SAE 10W-60 Synthetic oil, or Castrol Formula RS 10W-60 Synthetic oil, p/n 07 51 0 009 420.

Check transmission for leaks.

Check rear axle for leaks.

Half shafts: Check for leaks at flexible boots.

Visually check fuel tank, lines and connections for leaks.

Check condition, positioning, and mounting of exhaust system. Examine for leaks.

Check power steering system for leaks. Check p/s fluid level; add fluid if necessary.

Check overall thickness of rear disc brake pads using special tool. Record results. If replacement is necessary*:
Examine brake disc surfaces. Clean brake pad contact points in calipers. Grease wheel centering hubs. Check thickness of parking brake linings only when replacing rear pads. Record results.

Remove and install front disc brake pads, check overall thickness.
Examine brake disc surfaces. Clean brake pad contact points in calipers. Grease wheel centering hubs.

Check brake and clutch system connections and lines for leaks, damage, and incorrect positioning.

Check steering for absence of play, condition of suspension track rods, front axle joints, steering linkage and joint disc.

Check parking brake actuation. Adjust if necessary.

Check all tire pressures (including spare - except M3, M5, Z8 and Alpina). Correct if necessary. Check condition of tires (outer surfaces [left/right]), tread wear and pattern; in case of uneven tread wear readjust wheel alignment if requested.*
Note: If requested rotate all four road wheels as instructed and rebalance.*

Replace M-Mobility System sealant cartridge every 3 years.

Inspect entire body according to terms of rust perforation limited warranty (must be performed at least every two years).

Engine Compartment

Read out diagnostic system.

Check and adjust valves.

Check engine cooling system/heater hose connections for leaks. Check coolant level and antifreeze protection level; add coolant if necessary.
Note: Coolant must be replaced every 4 years (time interval begins from vehicle's production date).

Check level of brake and clutch fluid in reservoir. Add fluid if required.

Replace brake fluid every 2 years (timing interval begins from vehicle's production date).*

Check windshield washer and antifreeze protection. Fill up and/or correct if necessary.

Check air conditioner operation.

Replace microfilter.
Note: reduce replacement interval in dusty operating conditions.

Reset Service Indicator.


Body/Electrical Equipment

Check battery state-of-charge, and charge if required.*

Check lighting system, i.e., headlights, foglights, parking, back-up, license-plate, interior (including map reading lights), glove box, flashlight, illuminated make-up mirrors, luggage compartment lights.

Check instrument panel and dashboard illumination.

Check all warning/indicator lights, check control.

Check turn signals, hazard warning flashers, brake lights, horns, headlight dimmer/flasher switch.

Check wipers and washer system(s);wiper blades, washer jet positions.

Check condition and function of safety belts.

Recharge or replace batteries for remote controls in all vehicle master keys.

Check central locking/double lock.

Check operation of all latches.

Check heater/air conditioner blower fan, rear window defogger.

Check rear view mirrors.

Visually examine the SRS airbag units for torn covers, obvious damage or attachment of decals, decorations or accessories.

Activate automatic roll-over protection system (if equipped) via diagnostic link.
Note: First remove hardtop/lower top (325Cic and 330Cic only).


Final Inspection.

Road test with check of brakes, suspension, steering, clutch/manual transmission or automatic transmission (except M3, M5, and Z8).

This has a price of £410+ vat (£492 inc vat) and uses all OEM parts.

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BMW Engine Oil Service for BMW E46 M3.

The engine oil service is more than just a simple oil change.

As part of the oil service, a range of additional components and parts such as brakes and tyres are visually checked and their condition reported back to the customer on one of our colour coded vehicle inspection sheets, along with digital photo’s of the area’s inspected and worked on.

We also include a free subframe condition inspection as the vehicle is on the ramp. This comes with any cracks photographed and documented.

- Change oil and oil filter while engine is at normal operating temperature. Use only Castrol TWS Motorsport SAE 10W-60 Synthetic oil, or Castrol Formula RS 10W-60 Synthetic oil, p/n 07 51 0 009 420.

- The vehicles pollen filter is also changed.

This has a price of £120 +vat (£144 inc vat)

Many customers also like to have the Air filter changed but this is in addition to the above price

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We charge £241.20 inc vat to fit a set of 4 OEM or lowering springs (Springs can be procured at customers cost, obviously, or we can fit customer supplied items)

As part of this service the other suspension components are visually inspected for wear and where appropriate the customer made aware of any items that either “should” (for safety reasons) be changed or “should be considered” for replacement, this is obviously dependant on condition and would include such items as drop links, camber bolts, bushes, bump stops etc.

A 4 wheel alignment should be performed following this procedure, see next post for costings.

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4 wheel Alignment.

Following various works (including fitting lowering springs or coilover suspension) a 4 wheel alignment is required

We charge £134 + vat for this. This work is carried out on a 3D laser alignment machine and a full print out of before and after measurements is provided.

We are able to offer various options for alignment (road, road/track, track etc) this will be discussed with the customer prior to the vehicle being aligned.

Please note, this is not performed on site, we use a company local to us that performs all our 4 wheel alignments, Camber, Caster, Toe etc is checked and adjusted. This service is available cheaper else where, we have to charge for our time to complete this however, hence the price

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Subframe or “Boot Floor” Repair and Reinforcement.

I would hope we all know the process by now, plenty of threads on this, including:

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=65047


The price for the subframe "Repair and Reinforcement" is £1490 +vat (£1788 inc vat)

All the details for this can be found in this link:

http://www.redish-motorsport.com/E46M3FloorSubframeCrackRepairReinforcement.html

The only difference being we now use our own “Chassis Reinforcement Kit” which is much more substantial than the existing kits on the market. (A new post is being written for these as I type this), they are available for purchase separately at a cost of £195 + delivery. Watch out for the official press release of these and magazine features soon! They can be seen in the link at the top of this post.

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Full Underside restoration and Subframe “Boot Floor” restoration (THE BIG ONE)

This is the most bespoke service we offer and as such is very difficult to price without discussion with the particular customer and actually seeing the vehicle fist, still I have received loads of requests for quotes for this so we have come up with a bench-mark price for the work.

Base Price for a Chassis Reinforcement is £1490 + vat(£1788inc)
Underside Strip, Clean and Protect is £ 268+vat (£321.60 inc)
Full Rear Axle Polybush with Powerflex bushes is £195 inc
New OEM Nuts, bolts, Fixings, Trim Clips, Rear Wheel Bearings, Bushes etc come to circa £450inc
Powder Coating of rear Axle Components, Front tray etc in a coulour of your choice £250inc (Limited by powder coating colour charts)
Additional Labour for Underside Restoration (strip/reassembly of rear Axle Components, installation of new wheel bearings, paint and clean under-trays and heat shields etc) [email protected]£67 +vat £1273+vat (£1527.6 inc)
Consumables (Paints, Cleaners etc) £35.78inc

Any additional part required would be consulted with the customer first, these could include things like handbrake shoes, Brake Lines, Brake backing plates, track and tie rods the list really is endless, it all depends where you want to stop really.

So a base price for the underside Restoration is circa £4567.98(starting price)

I hope this provides potential customers with a rough idea of cost, to give you a more accurate quote, as I said earlier we would need to see the car, the nature of this job is such that it really needs to be done on a "On Condition" basis, it is nearly impossible to provide a quote without seeing what we are working with to begin with, this is probably the most bespoke underside service offered by any Independent BMW specialist, we do not believe BMW would even consider taking this work on and even if they did, it would probably be cheaper to buy a new car from them instead of have this work done by BMW!

We offer this service to satisfy the most discerning BMW owners requirements, the finished results are truly spectacular, after all, your pride and joy is worth it!

We appreciate that this service is out of the reach of some owners and considered “simply madness” by some, still the option is there and if you wish to secure the future of your vehicle for years to come we are here to help.

Link to and example of this work:

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=65233

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Hi Pete & James, great thread.

Would the subframe clean and protect include all of the labour involved in replacing the exhaust brackets and rubber mounts?
Thanks mate,

Labour for the rubber mounts would be absorbed in this but not for the brackets, that would be an additional, not much tho between 30min and an hour depending on condition mate. (labour is £58 p/h +vat.)

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Fantastic thread,What would be the price if i just wanted the valve clearances checked and adjusted on my e46 m3? Ive changed all the fluids myself,so i dont really need an insp 1...Steve..


Good morning, we would still need your car all day as the engine temp needs to be below 35deg C to perform the check, the work only takes a couple of hours (we charge £67+vat per hour).

You would receive:

A written report and digital pictures of the work.

You would probably require a rocker cover gasket and the 6 spark plug gaskets (Genuine BMW only), these have a cost of £80 inc vat, any shims would be additional (they are £4.25 each)

This would be at a cost of £200 inc vat and the gasket kit (any shims required would be at additional cost)

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I should know this but what is the warranty offered with this service and specifically to the structural integrity of the floor and subsequent repair components?


I'll be in touch mate, let me check for you.

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I should know this but what is the warranty offered with this service and specifically to the structural integrity of the floor and subsequent repair components?
Following discussion with James, here is our official response mate:

Martin, we do not envisage there being an issue with the floors integrity once it has been reinforced. It’s worth noting that your floor was not reinforced with our own newchassis plates, we hadn't completed development when you had your work done so they were not an option, additionally I believe they were supplied by you, it is not common practice to offer warranty on customer supplied items, this is true where ever you go.

The new parts fitted would carry the standard manufactures warranty, as you supplied the majority of the parts used that would be down to you to sort should they wear prematurely or fail due to anything other than error in fitment. The powder-coated components come with 3mths warranty from the powder coaters, however they should out last the rest of the car and should not be a cause for concern.

So the key issue is the floors integrity and any warranty offered on that. BMW nowoffer 2 years warranty on new replacement floors. We would be prepared to offer 1 years warranty on repaired/reinforced floors should any issue arise relating directly to the floors reinforcement work, the reason for this is that we are not fitting a new floor, we are repairing/reinforcing the existing, in many cases damaged floors, I don’t believe that BMW will warranty a foam injected floor for the same reason (I may be wrong there though, don’t think I am!) this is of course dependant on a duty of care with the customer, if we believe the car has been used for drifting, seen heavy track use or been subjected to additional loading (forced induction etc) then we would have to negotiate further with the customer in question should an issue arise. That being said we are confident that our repaired cars are good for many years to come and do stand by our work, we believe we are the only company offering this level of commitment/warranty, most garages only 3mths guarantee on work of this nature.

In addition we have repaired loads of floors now (we did 13 last year alone including mine and yours), and haven’t had any issues with any of the cars we have repaired. My car is regularly on the ramp for inspection purposes and looks as good today as it did last year when it was first done. Not that this bit helps you Martin or indeed I, but the main reason we have developed our own kit is to further improve the strength of this repair and enhance the service we offer to our customers. We will not fit any other kit than our own now.

Hope that helps and goes some way to answering your question mate?
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Hi Pete, great work on the write up, looks a good tool to enlighten owners to the potential cost of some big jobs.
Am I correct in assuming that the above prices are based on an e46 M3? Would these prices still be there or thereabouts if the car in question was an e36?

Thanks mate, that's the hope.

Yes the above are based on prices for the E46 M3, this was used as it is our most commonly worked on vehicle. The E36 however would be very similar. I do intend to add E36 prices to the existing posts in the coming weeks as they are slightly different, for example the shims for the valve clearances are more expensive as they are larger.

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Yeah, I was figuring a bit more time would be spent on cleaning up on the underside resto (older car= more sh1t) but on the flipside less chance of needing a subframe/boot floor repair like on the e46...
Not always the case but yeah your logic is basically correct. We've seen some very low mileage / fairly young cars in horrendous condition, I remember a 2005 E46 M3 with only 26k on the clock that had been serviced once in its entire life, when we removed the rocker cover it looked like someone had painted it with tar, and it also had the floor hanging out of it!! Clearly a neglected example! With regard to the subframe issues, sadly E36's suffer a similar problem as do Z3M’s, it's just not as widely publicised!
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BMW Engine Oil Service for BMW E46 M3.

The engine oil service is more than just a simple oil change.

As part of the oil service, a range of additional components and parts such as brakes and tyres are visually checked and their condition reported back to the customer on one of our colour coded vehicle inspection sheets, along with digital photo’s of the area’s inspected and worked on.

We also include a free subframe condition inspection as the vehicle is on the ramp. This comes with any cracks photographed and documented.

- Change oil and oil filter while engine is at normal operating temperature. Use only Castrol TWS Motorsport SAE 10W-60 Synthetic oil, or Castrol Formula RS 10W-60 Synthetic oil, p/n 07 51 0 009 420.

- The vehicles pollen filter is also changed.

This has a price of £120 +vat (£144 inc vat)

Many customers also like to have the Air filter changed but this is in addition to the above price

Hi guys is this price still correct??

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Hi Andy, Thanks for your message.

I'm afraid that is a little out of date now.
Thanks for bringing that to our attention, I will make the price amendments within this thread.

Our price for the BMW Engine Oil Service on the E46 M3 is £164.57 including VAT.

This includes:
Castrol Edge 10w60 M-Power Engine Oil
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Digital pictures - example here - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...8486348&type=3
Waste oil recycling charge
Free of charge loan-car usage (customer just insures and fuels)

We would need the vehicle for approx 1 hour.
Customer's are welcome to wait in our reception an watch the work happening through our large glass reception wall.

Please let us know if you have any other questions or would like to make a booking.

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I wanna take my car e46 M off the road for about a year guys would it be worth starting now and then or just disconnect the battery and leave well alone I'm gonna put some spare wheels on with bold tyres so no worry of flat spots on my regular wheels, would it be ok regarding calipers etc seizing up etc, i would change the oil and filters once back on the road would this be sufficient hopefully this ain't a question asked before lol


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I wanna take my car e46 M off the road for about a year guys would it be worth starting now and then or just disconnect the battery and leave well alone I'm gonna put some spare wheels on with bold tyres so no worry of flat spots on my regular wheels, would it be ok regarding calipers etc seizing up etc, i would change the oil and filters once back on the road would this be sufficient hopefully this ain't a question asked before lol


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Hi Pritpal,

Thanks for your question.

If it was mine, I would aim to start the engine once a month and allow it to idle for approx 30 minutes to reach near operating oil temperature.

I would look at putting a disconnect battery switch on the negative battery terminal in the boot (like this: http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/147) so that once you've ran the engine and then switched off, you can easily disconnect the battery (assuming it's parked securely and doesn't require an alarm).

Yes, swapping the wheels is a very good idea to avoid flat spots on your good tyres.

If it's parked outside then there's a change a few items like the brake calipers for example could be hard to move when you move the car in a years time. Also the brake discs will be quite corroded too (if it's outside).
If it's in a garage then you'll be fine.
Be careful when you move it for the first time a year later as the braking performance will be poor until the corrosion is swept off the brake discs (if left outside) which could take several miles of driving.

It would be worth considering driving the car forward and back (if possible) every 3 months, assuming you have access to the vehicle.

Operate the windows, PAS, central locking, brakes, handbrake, and that should help keep things from causing problems a year later.

Hope that helps.
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Hi Pritpal,

Thanks for your question.

If it was mine, I would aim to start the engine once a month and allow it to idle for approx 30 minutes to reach near operating oil temperature.

I would look at putting a disconnect battery switch on the negative battery terminal in the boot (like this: http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/147) so that once you've ran the engine and then switched off, you can easily disconnect the battery (assuming it's parked securely and doesn't require an alarm).

Yes, swapping the wheels is a very good idea to avoid flat spots on your good tyres.

If it's parked outside then there's a change a few items like the brake calipers for example could be hard to move when you move the car in a years time. Also the brake discs will be quite corroded too (if it's outside).
If it's in a garage then you'll be fine.
Be careful when you move it for the first time a year later as the braking performance will be poor until the corrosion is swept off the brake discs (if left outside) which could take several miles of driving.

It would be worth considering driving the car forward and back (if possible) every 3 months, assuming you have access to the vehicle.

Operate the windows, PAS, central locking, brakes, handbrake, and that should help keep things from causing problems a year later.

Hope that helps.
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Hi guys is it just the e46 m3 that suffer with rear subframe problems or is it all e46 or all bmw's.
Sorry if this has been asked before I am new to the group and this is my first post 😕
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Old 26th January 2017, 12:40 PM   #19
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Hi Pete/James, what is the best way to reach you guys? I've sent several messages to you (mail & PM) but haven't heard back.. Thanks.

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Old 26th January 2017, 02:30 PM   #20
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I know that they are mega busy at the moment 👍😉
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